TUBES vs. TRANSISTORS
is an email I got that refers to our Tube Vs. Transistor articles
located in the tube section of this site. I thought is was
well written and respect the position enough to say it speaks for
a whole lot more people than just Larry.
posted articles on Tube VS. Transistor amplifier sound are interesting,
but they suffer one serious flaw: YOU SHOULD NEVER EVER ALLOW
AMPLIFIER TO CLIP!! Just below clipping, a well designed transistor
amplifier well have almost unmeasurable distortion. High power transistor
amplifiers today are so good and so cheap, there is no excuse for
them to go into clipping.
The speakers will begin to distort way before the amplifier reaches
near its clipping level. The modern MOS FET transistor amplifier
can easily reach peak levels of over 200 watts without clipping.
even-order distortion that tubes produce is still distortion, but
some call it "euphonically correct", and, with a tube amplifier
you can't turn it off, it's always there. If I want this kind of
possibly desirable coloration in my music listening, I would add
a tube stage that is voltage starved which will slightly exaggerate
this effect (Such as the product the "Tube Head"
from PAiA), and then I would have control over the degree of coloration
I would like to inject--and I can turn it off, like a tone control
one common trait all of you Pro-Tube folks have in common is that
it is so easy to poke holes in every one of your attempted objectivist
assertions (regardless whether you are a member of the prestigious
Society or not). If you keep your Pro-Tube arguments purely subjective,
then I have no argument--each to his own.
you for your email! You have just narrowed down what I feel
to be the pro - solid state position in only 3 paragraphs which
I thought was outstanding!
think it clear that the two articles I posted regarding the differences
between tubes and solid state are an attempt to shed some light
on the forever ongoing debate, not an attempted objectivist assertion
on my part.
understand where you're coming from on your first position on clipping,
but don't forget that using your 200 watt amplifier as an example
and listening at a nominal level of 10 watts, you would need 1280
watts to reproduce a 20 dB musical peek without clipping the wave
form. I've spent hundreds of hours watching music on
the scope for the sole purpose of seeing clipping in action, and
it is my opinion that in the real world almost all amplifiers will
and do clip when playing music.
also agree that most speakers will be into some type of distortion
in the above illustration.
even order harmonic distortion of tubes can be a
non factor before clipping in a good circuit. I'm not sure
it is accurate to imply that the distortion is always there as a
this all leading to my personal position on tubes vs. solid state.
First off I do not categorically feel tubes are superior.
I think each application in unique. For example, I am a musician,
and in my studio, I use solid state amplifiers for the mains and
wouldn't dream of using anything else. It is just more practical.
I have heard many solid state systems that sound really good.
the difference comes in is in the specific application of hard core
audiophile listening. By this I mean going into my listening
room (where there is no TV or furniture) and getting off on the
illusion of a three dimensional presentation. In this scenario
I would challenge any solid state amplifier to sound more realistic
than for example my Zen amp. For me the goal is to recreate
the emotional responses that occur with live music because it's
real, not to make damn sure the (*#&$% specs are perfect and
then deciding the resulting presentation must also be perfect.
are two reasons why I think tubes sound better in this application.
One is that triodes (tubes) can be operated without negative feedback.
The other is because a solid state circuit needs many more capacitors
in the signal path than a tube circuit, hence more parts.
The combination of all the additional parts and negative feedback
will ALWAYS result in LESS depth, less detail, less involvement,
people think that the goal of a perfect playback system is perfect
specs, and some people think the goal of a perfect playback system
is one that sounds real. These two perspectives are what I
feel is really in debate. And the only reason in my experience
for the debate is that spec-o-holics have not heard a good single
ended tube amp A/B'd with their ideal of a perfect amplifier.
are TONS of CRAPPIE sounding tube amps out there. I would
say way more than good ones. This makes it easier for the
pessimist to draw a negative conclusion when comparing the two,
however I will challenge anyone to the test any time you want to
make the trip over here.
most recent person to take this test owned the Cello Music System,
has a treated listening room, and has spent to date over 400,000.00
on fine audio gear, and even worked with Levenson. After hearing
GOOD tube gear at my place, he has come 180 degrees and will be
the first to tell you I'm right.