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Reply #650 - 06/12/18 at 23:24:00
 
Lon, I'm waffling between doing the ZMA mod second (next year) and get the SE84UFO3/25th Mono-blocks this Fall?!

Decisions ~ decisions!   Cheesy
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Reply #651 - 06/13/18 at 00:59:06
 
Come on Stone, stop messing around and just order a pair of 25s!   Cheesy
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Reply #652 - 06/13/18 at 01:22:19
 
Ok RLB, let me try to simplify things here for you. †The statement of concern can clearly be interpreted two ways and it has nothing to do with a misstatement on Steve's part. †It is merely language semantics. †

Two Ways of Interpretation:
1) It was stated to be interpreted as you have.
2) Or, it was stated to mean that the driver must go down to NO LESS than 40Hz but it can go DOWN MORE than 40Hz which could be 30Hz, 25Hz, 22Hz, etc. and be fine. The point I am trying to make is DOWN can mean two things in this statement, and both can be CORRECT. †First off DOWN can refer to the overall amount of drop in frequency rather than the frequency value itself. †In other words the driver has to have the ability to drop low in frequency, where it is dropping to no less than 40Hz but can drop lower (more) to 30Hz, etc. †

It is the English language and it is quite common for statements to have multiple interpretations. †How do you think lawyers rack up billable hours? † All matters of interpretation. †

If you were offended by my statement, that is on you. †There was no disrespect intended. †Please remember, this is a public forum. †If feedback is not desired, there is a feature called a PM ("Private Message") which means you can ask questions privately, directly to "The Man" and not be bothered by anyone offering feedback. †As long as you post publicly, you will have to accept the fact that other people may, and often do, reply. †And for the most part, users get that, and are perfectly OK with it - as they should be. †

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Reply #653 - 06/13/18 at 01:37:50
 
Since Steve's "statement" doesn't make sense (to me anyway) I just figured he typed it wrong. †

As for me, I like the peanut gallery! † Grin
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Reply #654 - 06/13/18 at 02:41:51
 

A poorly phrased statement for sure... plus I actually was thinking 30 Hz when I wrote 40. My concern is that it would be all too easy to have an open baffle speaker that only went down to 80Hz and have an open baffle subwoofer that barely hits 50Hz and hear a full sound, but the bottom octave would still be missing. †Remember the context of this was to supplement the ZOB with an open baffle style sub, and this came just after my description of how the speakers sounded with subs that go down to 22 Hz.

The reason I was musing about the bass in the first place is because it is rare for most people to get to hear a Zen Triode Amplifier on speakers that go down to 22 Hz and in a room that is designed to handle those low frequencies. †This is when you really can appreciate the bass performance of these 2 watt amplifiers. †I have enjoyed it for years, but now after hearing it on the new Anniversary amps it took things to a new level, a level I would love for the rest of you to hear. †You won't hear it if the sub only goes down to 40Hz.


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Reply #655 - 06/13/18 at 03:34:16
 
Well, in all fairness Steve, not everyone was confused by your statement. † † Wink
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Reply #656 - 06/13/18 at 14:10:05
 
Hear, hear Jeff.

Archie, I wish, .....my budget is gummed up till the Fall. I will need to muddle through with my Shunyata/ZDSD, ZMA, Kimber Select & Adagio's. † Cool

I might wait and visit Decware in January or February (in between a snow storm window, colds no bother).
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Reply #657 - 06/13/18 at 14:37:42
 
....and to Steve's mention of fast output tubes (reply #645). The midrange and speed of the 6P's got me thinking. Glad I got the KT88 Gold Lions Cryo antithesis of the 6P's. However, I'm going the route of 7027A's and these others for the summer.
http://www.decware.com/cgi-bin/yabb22/YaBB.pl?num=1414696035/382#382
reply #378 on down.
Tung-Sol 5881 & T-Sol 7581A, too.

Yes, new production ~ but should be pretty damn good. My budget will allow this indulgence for the summer.
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Reply #658 - 06/14/18 at 05:56:46
 

UPDATE:  In the ongoing saga of the Anniversary amp I am making an effort to document pertinent things and tonight I am listening to the Anniversary amp by not listening to it.  That means I am listening to something else and comparing that to my new reference which has become the UFO25's.  Hearing what is missing in one amp is a great way to hear what is not missing in another.  I have ruined myself!  Haha... I've always said ignorance is bliss in this hobby and the UFO25 raised the bar farther even than I realized.  I am discovering just how far by comparing it with other amplifiers in my circle.

There is a disturbing aspect to it, but boy are good things going to come out of it, you can be sure of that!

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Reply #659 - 06/14/18 at 16:45:08
 
I can only imagine Steve. . .when I listen to my other system now I don't freak out too much because it's so different (a Torii Mk II driving a pair of Traps) as it's so different in sound and feel (Torii driving Traps is very different from Monoblocks driving HR-1s) and I enjoy the sound and don't listen critically as I do with the main system. If I were to really listen critically and for a length of time. . . I know I would be very disappointed! And it's odd to be disappointed with that sound, the Traps driven by the Torii Mk II is a very good combination. . . .

You really have set yourself a new standard to reach for with the other amps. Best of luck! Thank you for all the hard work you have put in so far that have resulted with my wonderful pair of amps and the CSP3-25 on the way that I know will be wonderful!
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Reply #660 - 06/14/18 at 18:17:37
 
Road trip to the mother ship!

...by appointment.
(When Steve has the enhancement done to his satisfaction/ZMA).

UFO25th † † Single
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Reply #661 - 06/15/18 at 04:00:57
 
I remember that Mini Torii uses VR tubes, but I don't remember in what way. Is the Mini Torii already fitted with the Anniversary features from it's beginning?  

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Reply #662 - 06/15/18 at 11:01:30
 
Like the Torii Mk III and Mk IV the Mini-Torii uses OA3 and OC2 voltage regulation tubes to clean the power of the output and input tubes, but it does not have the further power supply upgrades/bypasses that are incorporated in the 25th Anniversary changes made to models so far.
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Reply #663 - 06/15/18 at 11:31:11
 
As Steve said; I placed the speakers in a wide arc about 3 feet from the front wall. †The toe-in was such that the intersecting X lands just in front of the listening chair. † This is pretty much where I placed them at last years DECFEST for my ď2-watt demoĒ that i like to do every year. †

I had mine placed exactly as this., and my sound stage is wider, deeper and sharper.., without the speakers..! 😅😊

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Reply #664 - 06/20/18 at 03:10:26
 

Today I let go of the prototype Anniversary amp (the red one) to my friend Joe from Arkansa who will probably post some pics of it when he gets it all set up.

The reason I mention this, is because he brought his own interconnects and speaker wires so he could see how they stack up against the DSR interconnects and the ZSTYX speaker cables. What it taught him and reminded me is that if you're going to own an Anniversary amp, you may as well plan on owning the cables too, because anything less is going to be a travesty.  

It was actually scary how bad one of the pair of interconnects tanked the sound.  Resolution gone.  Bass bloated and overly heavy.  No idea how it imaged, ran out of the room ; )

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Reply #665 - 06/24/18 at 01:10:28
 

Now that we're in production of the 25th Anniversary Zen Triode Amplifier I have had to give up my build sample so it can be copied. The prototype I have sold, so I am now listening to other amps -- one at a time and seeing what develops in the way of mods. The first one I am starting with is the ZMA since it likely has the highest potential to sound like a UFO25.

Keep in mind I have listened to the UFO25 exclusively now since November which is more than enough time to rewire your brain to properly process all the nuances the amp has to offer.

For the first week I have been listening to the ZMA stock and now that my brain has been rewired, I simply lost the love affair I had with it. It's close, and maybe that's the problem. It's close enough that you want it to be the same and it's not. If it were completely different it would probably be a different story.  

I am making good progress with the ZMA modsso far.  Right now I feel like I've got it pinned down to the mat waiting for it so say "uncle"... and it's a stubborn bastard so this is going to take some time.  I presently have it more than half way from where it was to where it needs to go.

So this is a warning to all of you with one on the build sheet... †you will be ruined. Nothing else no matter what it is will likely sound as good ever again.

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Reply #666 - 06/24/18 at 12:54:15
 
Already there and I havenít got my UFO25, yet!  Hereís why...

Sold and delivered my SE84UFO2, which by the way I absolutely loved, to a gent who stated ďyouíre spending that much per watt on the A-Amp???Ē Why?  Reply ďIím ruined!Ē  

Now after your last comment and his I got to thinking (and yes it did hurt).  What if all one had to do was throw money at the A-Amp to give it more watts to get the exact same sound?

Say one wanted 20 watts, simply throw $1,650.00 x 20 = $33,000.00 and you have a 20 watt amp that sounds exactly like the UFO25. So letís take this a step further and say one wanted 40 watts, once again throw $1,650.00 x 40 = $66,000.00, OR, if one went the distance and wanted 100 watts that sounded exactly like the UFO25, once again... $1,650.00 x 100 = $165,000.00

Now I realize that things donít work that way, BUT it does put an interesting perspective on on low power high efficiency and the applicable term, RUINED (add ďAbslutelyĒ to that).

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Reply #667 - 06/27/18 at 16:20:33
 
Wow, I counted 27 SE84UFO 25th Anniversary amps on the Build List!
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Reply #668 - 06/27/18 at 17:25:04
 
Even more impressive, if I'm reading the list correctly, there are 30. It seems some folks wanted two.

Guess I waited too long to order my regular UFO.
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Reply #669 - 06/27/18 at 17:38:58
 
It's good news for Decware. The Anniversary series are going to be a success.
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Reply #670 - 06/27/18 at 23:14:07
 
Hey Scott in mich....not too late. I'd say wait time approx 8 weeks. Now as good a time as any! Or, wait for a used to come up on the forums? Either works.
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Reply #671 - 06/27/18 at 23:39:27
 

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Say one wanted 20 watts, simply throw $1,650.00 x 20 = $33,000.00 and you have a 20 watt amp that sounds exactly like the UFO25. So letís take this a step further and say one wanted 40 watts, once again throw $1,650.00 x 40 = $66,000.00, OR, if one went the distance and wanted 100 watts that sounded exactly like the UFO25, once again... $1,650.00 x 100 = $165,000.00


At $1650 a watt you'll have the satisfaction of having the last word with any audiophile who goes on about how much his stereo cost and how many watts it is. †I can hear it now... The braggadocios audiophile; "Yea, my amp is 500 watts a channel and cost $100,000 so lets see you top that!"  You; "OK, that means your amp is $200 a watt. †My amp is $1650 a watt and sounds about 8 times better too." : )  The braggadocios audiophile; "Well, I have a lot more watts so that doesn't matter"...  You; "Yes, but if the first watt sucks, why continue?"

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Reply #672 - 06/28/18 at 00:30:06
 
Hi Acetone,

Eight weeks would be great. I was thinking three to four months. I pulled the trigger on it Sunday.

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Reply #673 - 06/28/18 at 01:15:38
 
..."and it's a stubborn bastard so this is going to take some time."

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Reply #674 - 06/28/18 at 03:49:48
 

UPDATE: 1st production model to ship out the door is presently built, QC'd and in the final listening evaluation.  

Currently it is playing some Donald Fagen, one of my all time favorites.  The sound is so correct.  It's really weird how easy it is to listen to.  Only a couple hours old and it already sounds better than all of its brothers and sisters...  these amps really are worth $1650 a watt.

I was going to post some pictures, but the bureaucratic nature of present day technology can't seem to get out of it's own way as if time grew on trees and none of us have anything else to firkin do...  when I can get my phone to talk to the computer at a usable speed I'll let you know.

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Reply #675 - 06/28/18 at 09:48:07
 
the 25th watts are out..!
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Reply #676 - 06/28/18 at 10:31:45
 
"Next I'm going to see what I can hear between the clear glass and the white glass.  I also found a juicy black glass resistor that I've yet to hear.  I'm sure they'll all be in the same league being so similarly built, but we have to be sure."

Any feedback on the juicy black glass resistor yet, Steve?

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Reply #677 - 06/28/18 at 15:11:43
 
Actually Steve, my response to the high power/high dollar baragadacois audiophile is a little different than what you envisioned, it goes something like this:

ďYou bought that and think itís good??? Whatís WRONG WITH YOU!!!  You seem intelligent enough, perhaps your not well.  Might want to visit your doctor.Ē

Being of the temperament that I am I have to work hard at being... tactful, even then I have a hard time being... socially sensitive.  The $1,650.00 per watt makes it next to impossible.  So when Iím criticized for my insensitivity to bragadacios audiophiles my reason for it is... Itís all Steveís fault. (And Iím sticking to that!)
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Reply #678 - 06/28/18 at 20:04:01
 
I've never been too impressed by people who keep bragging about their precious little things, knowing that such behaviour is often triggered by a chronic need to get confirmation/recognition.

I guess my reply to such comment would simply be "Power is nothing without control", and then perhaps add (as appropriate) "I like you. You remind me when I was young and stupid....."

On a more serious note, I think it would be opportune to explain to such a person that the Decware product line is more than an interesting alternative to the audiophile brands you find when going mainstream. It shows what you can actually find if you are just prepared to step out of your comfort zone, think out of the box and not let you be easily impressed and misled by fancy marketing/sales jargons and exclusive branding so often typical of the mainstream products with their seemingly unlimited financial resources. The Decware signature is a wake-up call for the more conservative ones among us who so far have blindly accepted to act as guinea pigs for the corporate giantsÖ and often at great cost.....
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Reply #679 - 06/28/18 at 21:30:35
 
Listening to Donald Fagen ~ The Nightfly right now, Steve. With a tasty beverage ~ SURLY XTRA-CITRA PALE ALE.
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....missed Fagen....he was here on the 15th! Lars here, was in Cali...I took a nice picture of Sue my girl, with Rob Lowe...he's a nice guy. His son graduated too. Like Rob said on Jimmy Fallen: "he gets his brains from his mother." I concur too/my son, from his brilliant mother.

...If you can make my ZMA sound better than this?! I can't wait to send it to ya! OR, come down for a visit...AND challenge your Cables & Speaker's against mine. Different flavor's? ....or big difference/mine?

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Reply #680 - 06/28/18 at 21:54:49
 

Popping in to check up on the forums - yep, they are still here.  :)

Nice to see the 25th is shipping! I finally unplugged my Zen for the first time since November and put my ZMA in with 7027a. It sounds good, but man, even my watered down 25th is just so much more.

I'm still looking forward to the ZMA Enhanced - I can drop mine off anytime you want to play around with ideas.  :)

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Reply #682 - 07/02/18 at 13:23:42
 
Congrats on your 25th!! Beautiful...
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Reply #683 - 07/02/18 at 19:35:49
 
Until you actually listen to it you have no idea how beautiful!!
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Re: 25th Anniversary Zen Triode Amplifier
Reply #684 - 07/02/18 at 19:55:04
 
I can imagine... the video sounds amazing! Nice.
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Reply #685 - 07/02/18 at 20:41:46
 
lazb, mine is in Ďquality controlí as we type... later this month, I think, or early July Iíll know first hand.

Based on initial feedback and my experience with Decware in the last 5 years Iím quite confident that this will be it for me after 43 years in this Ďhobbyí.  I donít look at this as the end of a journey but, finally, the start.
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Reply #686 - 07/02/18 at 20:59:16
 
You may not have noticed, but it's already early July! Hope it ships soon. Been my experience that from this point on you won't have much longer to wait!
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Reply #687 - 07/02/18 at 22:03:27
 
WHAT THE H HAPPENED TO JUNE!!!!!
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Reply #688 - 07/03/18 at 00:57:31
 
LOL
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Reply #689 - 07/10/18 at 02:53:02
 
ALRIGHT! I was just contacted by UPS and the UFO25 should be at my door in the next day or two.  Now the day to day wait, which makes it feel like July is going to be a lot longer than June in duration.
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Reply #690 - 07/10/18 at 06:17:10
 
Congrats! Can't wait to hear what you think of the amp with the super 3 ho xrs.
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Reply #691 - 07/10/18 at 14:30:32
 
Great news!
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Reply #692 - 07/11/18 at 18:24:42
 

The SE84UFO25 owner's manual is ready:

http://www.decware.com/newsite/SE84UFO25manual.pdf



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Reply #693 - 07/11/18 at 18:52:11
 
That's a heckuva manual Steve! And the first picture I have seen of the DNA2.

I predicted before and I still believe that this amp will be a big success. I know how great it sounds because I have the Monoblock version and I struggle every evening to turn them off. . . . Theyy are nearly hypnotic and a tube-rolling platform par excellence.
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Reply #694 - 07/11/18 at 19:23:38
 
Oh my, I just took a peek at the manual...no time to read it now but lots of useful info for all decware Amp owners.  I'll read it after I get back from work. Mark.
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Reply #695 - 07/12/18 at 01:09:58
 
From the new manual,
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If a subwoofer is used, you must have two, and they must have a passive 12dB low-pass crossover and be driven in parallel with the main loudspeakers by the SE84UFO25.


Any recommendations?
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Reply #696 - 07/12/18 at 03:15:33
 

Typically a pair of 12 or 15 inch drivers that are of an efficiency that is equal to or greater than your main speaker and are of an impedance that is equal to or higher than your main speaker.  Placed into an open baffle, a sealed or ported box or in some cases a folded horn depending on which would be the best match for the room and existing speakers.

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Reply #697 - 07/12/18 at 03:24:53
 



Another productive week as the more of the first 25 Anniversary amplifiers start to ship!

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Reply #698 - 07/12/18 at 06:00:19
 
GOT IT TODAY!  After some challenges with UPS, but they did go the distance and more and got it here.  Actually I kind of feel bad for the supervisor that had to deal with me.  In fact under the circumstances I give him credit for seeing it through.

Anyway... Iíve only had it playing for Iíd say 3 hours so this definitely is not a review just my very first impressions.

My first complaint (yes I have a complaint): I expected a UFO25 that has an output of 2.3 watts.  I got a UFO25 but I donít think it has 2.3 watts.  I know what 2.3 watts sounds like and you can not fool this puppy! By the sound of it itís got to have 20 watts at least.  For someone that has become a 2.3 watt fanatic this is hard to swallow  ;).

Next: What do I think of the S3HOXRS with this powerhouse.  Fabulous.  These speakers are just so fast and revealing.  More on this at a later time.

How does it compare with the UFO2???  Well the UFO25 has only 3 hours on it and... yes itís different and better BUT... I am even more impressed with the UFO2 because of the performance that it gives at itís price point comparatively speaking.

Donít get the impression that I donít think that the UFO25 is not significantly different.  It is.  (Boy this is hard to put into words) Letís just say that I think that the UFO2 offers great performance at its price point and may be all that some will want and need.

So what does the UFO25 offer, in comparison?  My first impression is REFINMENT!  To get this level of refinement you would have to spend one heck of a lot more money and even then Iím not sure you could equal it.  This is after 3 hours.  Based on how it began to open up within the three hours, Iíd say it will get much better yet.

Build quality:  One word and only one word - SUPERB!

I only got the VR Tubes as I have quite an inventory of tubes that includes red tipped tubes.  I wanted some sort of a reference point so I tried to keep the same tube set that was in my UFO2.  (Sophia 274B Aqua, SV83, E88CC). Whether or not this is the set that I will keep in my UFO25 will be determined at a much later time.  I did get some other VR tubes, for fun.  As a result of Lonís comments I picked up a pair of CEI OA3ís and these will stay in during the break in period.

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Reply #699 - 07/12/18 at 14:00:05
 
That's awesome! I'm not surprised the amp sounds great off the bat (Jupiters!) and it will have a few fuzzy periods I bet and then sound jaw-droppingly good.

I spent an hour tweaking the sound of my second system which has a Taboo Mk IV driving Trapezium speakers at the moment. I'm going to have to start saving up. .. . I think eventually Steve will get around to "25th Anniversarying" the Taboo Mk IV and I know it will be an amazing amp and I'll want one! That system could benefit from a ZROCK2 as well. Man, it never ends.

I was going to try to swing a pair of DNA2 speakers. But further experimenting with gain adjustments with the ZTPRE/ZBIT/ZROCK2/CSP3-25/25th Monoblocks has me really satisfied with the way the HR-1s are acting and not encountering distortion--and my wife seems to have all the volume she needs as well. Wow. . . I can't believe the sound I'm getting.
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