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Reply #100 - 10/28/17 at 15:14:50
 
PS-Linton.....yes, my LS-2B MkII adds convenience of volume for my beloved ZMA... . Most importantly, the transparency and definition density of this unit with a single Mullard in her class A Hybrid/FET......driving through my ZMA.

Cool part is....I have five Amps:

LS-2B/Mullard 7308/E188CC (Cryo'd) to Tungsram PCC88/7DJ8 ...inputs ZMA
LS-2B/Mullard 7308/E188CC (   "   ) to Tungsram 6922/E88CC ...inputs ZMA

ZMA direct from ZDSD with Ediswan (Cryo'd) CV2492/6922 ....as inputs
ZMA direct from ZDSD with  Mullard (Cryo'd) 7308/E188CC ....as inputs
ZMA direct from ZDSD with Russian 6N23N/P-EB ....as inputs

......constant inverter/ZMA, is.....Telefunken /6922/E88CC ~ 1 pair (painfully expensive/worth it)
......all input tubes and inverter's.....NOS Platinum
......RCA NOS 0A3's
......new production Tung-Sol KT66's (replaced on average/22 months)
......input and inverter 6922 tube variants....good for 7500 to 10,000 hours...worth every penny!

https://www.upscaleaudio.com/collections/vacuum-tubes/6922-6dj8-7308-pcc88

PS-do not get the Matsushita National PCC88/7DJ8 = not good in ZMA/Decware. Now, the Tungsram PCC88/7DJ8....incredible pair of tubes. .....and what my single Mullard from the LS-2B, puts forth to the Tung' 7DJ8 or Tung' 6922....matches made in heaven, when running my ARC to ZMA. ZMA alone, thrives on my Mull's and Edi's alone as inputs...Not driven into by my LS-2B. .....you can say I've found my tube combinations for my 5 ZMA's in one!
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Re: Wanna hear what TAPE sounds like?
Reply #101 - 10/28/17 at 16:08:33
 
Thank you and it's my pleasure Stone!  The experience with the SVHS is worth it and I hope more people jump on the list!  That player run through my Ultra pre-amp to my ZMA was astonishing!  

Decware peeps... you gotta give this thing a listen.
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Reply #102 - 10/31/17 at 03:53:54
 
The gear is on its way to Stone.

I agree with Jeff; The experience with the SVHS gear is worth it...I'll post my impressions asap


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Reply #103 - 10/31/17 at 22:40:35
 
Thanks Rob! I so look forward to this........ .  
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Reply #104 - 11/03/17 at 22:26:42
 
The Eagle has landed.

Look forward to hooking her up tomorrow morning with coffee. I wish I had J of A's Joe.....but mine will have to do.
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Reply #105 - 11/06/17 at 05:22:03
 
Hey Stone,
Happy to hear the goods are in hand!  Not expecting any reviews as you've only had it for a New York minute, but so far so good?

If there was any room in that kit, I would have inserted a stash of beans for subsequent tape tour participants.  If Steve makes room in these tour cases in the future, I will provide the beans.  ;)
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Reply #106 - 11/06/17 at 05:26:41
 
And Linton...  where you been?  Been waiting to read about your impressions.   Wink
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Reply #107 - 11/09/17 at 17:38:10
 
me too.... Stone I can't believe you've been mum on this so far.
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Reply #108 - 11/10/17 at 20:56:14
 
System used for evaluation:  
Sources:  Samsung SVHS, DAC (16-bit, R2R, battery powered)
Pre Amp:  McIntosh C220
Amp: Decware Torii Jr.
Speakers:  Ascend Acoustics Sierra Tower w/Raal

Hi All,

I finally found time to jot down my experiences with the SVHS rig – thanks for including me on the tour!

As I’ve mentioned before, my primary goal was to A/B the Palomino tape with my 320kbps steaming playlist and compare Steve’s recording technique with the digital stream.  Unfortunately, that tape seems to be balanced about 3-5db louder on the left channel: This caused the soundstage to jump to the left and then back to the middle while doing a dynamic A/B switch between the two sources (the other 3 tapes were spot-on with regard to balance). Not sure if Jeff and Stone have experienced this with the Palomino tape or not – I’m curious to find out.

My C220 doesn’t provide a feature to configure balance per source, so I decided to adjust the balance for the tape, sit back and enjoy.  When comparing that tape with my digital source, the sound -- to me --was very similar – there are the added (enjoyable) tape artifacts that I like, but I wasn’t really blown away by this tape compared with my streaming set-up. But then I loaded the Dick’s Hat Band tape…

I was blown away by that tape! Dick’s Hat Band. Great music, analog tape lusciousness. I was really drawn-in to that recording. Surprisingly good sound quality from the SVHS rig. For me, there’s no fair comparison between streaming and that analog sound.

The Ed Pong tape – Amazing talent, the recording made me feel like I was right there in the room with them. I think this was the best example from the set of how good tape can sound – truly realistic audio. I wish there were a few more tracks on this one.

The Toronto Mix – I enjoyed the live venue, with the interesting show introduction and subtle crowd noises – very realistic, great music, enjoyable tape.

My conclusions from this exercise:
1.      Steve has done an amazing job, sharing his experiments with the SVHS format and encouraging those who are interested to try new things with old gear. Thanks for all you do for the Decware community.

2.      SVHS sounds very good to me. However, I have a small room and listen near field; I could hear the relatively noisy deck during quiet passages and between tracks – that bugs me and tends to take me out of the flow.

3.      I’m going to buy a Reel-Reel deck ASAP and begin the journey. I thoroughly enjoyed the analog tape experience and kept saying to myself, “I’ve got to hear more of this” – I love analog, phono being my source of choice. I prefer to sit down and listen to albums, not individual songs. Like the phono, the tape will continue to facilitate the full-album, analog paradigm that I crave and enjoy.

Jeff – Your reviews are detailed, impressive and fun to read, I look forward to hearing from the others on the tour.

Headed off to eBay,
Rob
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Reply #109 - 11/11/17 at 00:23:44
 
I was talking to Steve at the fest and it wasn't until then that I realized the Palomino tape was one of my mixes.  Duh...

Looking forward to hearing this in my rig.
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Reply #110 - 11/11/17 at 15:02:25
 
maddog & J of A....I have been mum...till linton had a chance to respond and ....getting my 3rd session in this weekend.

Maddog....I will get it out to you on Monday and get you the tracking # in PM.

linton! ....same here, the Palomino tape drove me nuts with the left channel skew....but, the Dick Hat's ....was fun too.  I'll say more later..... .

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NOS Platinum/Mullard 7308/E188CC / Cryogenic


WBT-0102Ag RCA Kimber Select KS1030 ~.75 meter


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Decware Zen Mystery Amplifier
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NOS/Platinum/Mullard E188CC/7308's in my A12 an B12 Input positions Cryogenic~NOS/Platinum/Telefunken E88CC for Inverter Tubes~NOS RCA 0A3's & matched Quad/Tung-Sol KT66's

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Reply #111 - 11/12/17 at 03:11:59
 
I have just completed a new SVHS Palomino tape to replace the one with the skewed channels. I'll need a shipping address to send it to. I'll include a return shipping label for the damaged tape.  

I traced the problem to a drifting tube. The new tape I calibrated both machines with a MBL calibration tape at every frequency from 20~20kHz with both channels +/- 1dB anywhere in that spectrum. My guess is that this tape will sound better because there is not a hint of distortion or saturation anywhere on the tape, which I don't think was the case on the first one.

Everything I thought sounded very good this time around, with the only issue being 3 seconds of static in the left channel on track 2, and an exaggerated echo on track 8.

I monitored everything during the recording with the ZMF Eikons plugged directly into the SVHS mastering deck.  Now I'm getting ready to play the tape using both the headphones and an SE84UFO2 on speakers to see how close it is to what I heard during the recording.



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Reply #112 - 11/12/17 at 03:50:50
 
Well, it didn't go well.  There are lots of little micro pops for lack of a better term, little holes where there is no music.  I used an old tape that I thought would be good... Lesson learned.  Will try again tomorrow with a fresh tape.
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Reply #113 - 11/12/17 at 13:32:10
 
Steve, ship the fresh tape to maddog. I'm shipping the unit & tapes out to him tomorrow.
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Reply #114 - 11/13/17 at 00:16:00
 
Tape is ready.  I'll need someone to email me (steve@zenamps.com) mad dogs address.

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Reply #115 - 11/14/17 at 01:19:34
 
Linton,
Thanks for your review comments!  I was out camping this weekend, so I was "off the grid" and didn't see your post until today.  And as far as the output imbalance, I noted the same observations in my review.  And it looks like Steve confirmed what you, me, and Stone were in fact experiencing with the faulty tubes.  

I chuckled after reading your comment about the near field noisy deck.  I could see how that would annoy.  At the distance I was listening, it was undetectable.  I can however imagine hearing that pitch of the motors spinning at close distance and can't blame you for being distracted by that ambient noise.  

As far as the Dicks Hat Band, and the others (especially the UltraAnalogue sampler), they are in a different league and are a more direct representation of the overarching benefit of analog tape - simply because the source was great.  But, I really enjoyed the Palomino Tape for what it was.  

Rob, your experience is what this whole tape tour is all about!  I am so happy to hear that you were moved/intrigued/interested enough in what you heard to want to explore this whole tape thing further by grabbing yourself a R2R machine.  Let me know what you find and if you want to bounce anything off me. I did a great deal of research prior to my initial purchase.  If you love analog, it is the best playback type.  

That being said, do you have a ZP3?  If so, I may have something for you.  

Thanks for the sharing your experience Rob!

Cheers,
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Reply #116 - 11/14/17 at 11:54:57
 
On its way to Maddog.
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Reply #117 - 11/14/17 at 21:33:28
 
sent you an email Steve....
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Reply #118 - 11/15/17 at 03:30:32
 
Got the address and the package will ship tomorrow on 11/15 Smiley

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Reply #119 - 11/15/17 at 05:51:49
 
Decware Tape Tour Schedule:  https://tinyurl.com/decwaretapetour
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Reply #120 - 11/15/17 at 18:28:26
 
the spousal unit just pinged me and told me that a package arrived this morning from Stone.

I won't have a chance to fire it all up till the weekend... will post more after I give it a listen....

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