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Reply #250 - 11/08/16 at 14:29:24
 
I thought I would keep the Telefunken in as an inverter pair permanently..... . I rotate my Mullard's and Ediswan's for inputs with the Tele's = heaven.

Oh contraire!

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(Hungary) Tungsram 6922/E88CC ~  pair for inputs
(Hungary) Tungsram PCC88/7DJ8 ~  pair for inverter's

Stunning combo ~ Tungsram's with Tungsram's ....this scenario is fine indeed.

All subjective of course.... . My point: you gotta tube roll IMO....! The ZMA digs it.

I have yet to do output tubes...... . Some day.
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Reply #251 - 11/17/16 at 18:29:21
 
Running the Ediswan's/inputs with the Tungsram PCC88/7DJ8's for inverter's.

I have never produced Eric Johnson ~ Ah Via Musicom, in its entirety, like this before....... .  Fleshes out so much better.....Ahhhh Via the NOS Tubes.

Magic in there these Tubes!  FIRE BOTTLES.....YOU GOTS TO TUBE ROLL MY FRIENDS!

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~NOS Platinum Tubes from Upscale Audio/Kevin:

(Great Britain) Mullard 7308/E188CC ~  2 pair (both pair Cryogenic)
(Germany) Telefunken E88CC ~ 1 pair
(US/Great Britain) Ediswan CV2492/6922 ~ 2 pair (one pair Cryogenic)
(Hungary) Tungsram 6922/E88CC ~ 1 pair
(Hungary) Tungsram PCC88/7DJ8 ~ 1 pair.

From Cryoset:
(Russia) 6N23N/P-EB ~ 2 pair

(Russia) 6N23P's ~ 2 pair/came with ZMA.
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Reply #252 - 11/17/16 at 18:31:13
 
PS ~ Disclaimer: Without an ZMA/your mileage may very.   Cheesy Grin Grin
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Reply #253 - 11/17/16 at 22:24:38
 
The annual musicdirect' 17 CAT came today. My Columbia LEGACY is spinning right now.............. .

Carlos

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......NEED I SAY MORE.
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Reply #254 - 11/17/16 at 22:42:49
 
True Story: 5.5 years old in 69.... got home from doing my school shopping for Kindergarten.... In Traffic. I lived right off of 9W in Middle Hope, NY.....heading to Woodstock. Later that day and night and the next day I asked my mom: "Why can't we leave the house?".... She replied: "The traffic jam is because of a music festival north of here...... ."

Funny, the things you can remember and not remember; something one might mention..... .
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Reply #255 - 12/01/16 at 16:57:56
 
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Running the Ediswan's/inputs with the Tungsram PCC88/7DJ8's for inverter's......is out after a couple weeks/in.....very nice.

Back in: Pair of NOS Platinum Mullard 7308/E188CC ~ Cryogenic for Inputs
Pair of NOS Platinum Telefunken E88CC ~ Inverter's
my favorites........this combo!
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Reply #256 - 12/01/16 at 18:57:05
 
Having an opportunity to listen today before I go early to the Viking's game tonight. Yeah, playing the best team in the NFL/Cowboy's....wish us luck. Coach is out too, had to have emergency eye surgery last night.

I digress. With the Mullard 7308/E188CC ~ Cryogenic, back in with the incomparable Telefunken E88CC's for inverter's.....you give up ever so slightly in the bass with the Mull's....but the added silk in the midrange through the high's without loss of detail....is amazing with these tubes.

The hollow body of an Ibanez or Gibson....just resonates extra virgin olive oil/more real with Mullard's..... . Not to say the Ediswan's are not stellar....cause they are....could have left in for another month with the Tungsram PCC88's/inverter's. Just after two weeks of the Edi's and Tungs'.....nice to have my Mull/Tele combo back in!

Expensive, yes, but what this quad does in its respective positions, is an highly affordable upgrade. ....and you can get these tubes....not extinct.

Okay, back to tunes and then off to the Vikes..... .


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Reply #257 - 12/01/16 at 19:59:01
 
GO COWBOYS!!
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Reply #258 - 12/01/16 at 20:04:46
 
Dak looks like their new franchise QB Match.

It will be a fun spectacle...even if they light us up.
We play like horse hockey on National TV.

US Bank Stadium is trippin' man/girl friends dad has been a season ticket holder since 1963.
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Reply #259 - 12/01/16 at 20:18:47
 
Vikings and Cowboys have had great games throughout the years.  The Hail Mary pass came to fruition during a historic Cowboy/Viking game.  And no, Drew Pearson did not push off...hahahahaha!!
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Reply #260 - 12/07/16 at 14:47:29
 
Yeah, Cowboys and the Vik's have had some Classic's....... .

Thursday night was a good one. Glad I went. The 2 pt. conversion...did not happen....OT would have been fun. If we can beat the Jag's in Jacksonville.....playoff picture not looking great/overall though for us.

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The NOS Platinum Mullard 7308/E188CC ~ Cryogenic, are still in with the incomparable NOS Platinum Telefunken E88CC's for inverter's.

NOS RCA 0A3
Quad of Tung-Sol KT66

No need to roll....at least for another week or two........... .
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Reply #261 - 12/16/16 at 18:00:52
 
Carina Amplifier....and got my Ediswan in her/input.

Received and making beautiful Music. Thanks Robert (Classified's).

Nice to have an EL84 in Triode reference again! I have 7 or 8 hours to my ears on her from yesterday and today, so far. She is well seasoned already....nice to have out of the blocks.

Running JJ EL84's and JJ GZ34 with my Ediswan 6922 NOS Plat' input tube.....very nice.  I look forward to rolling my NOS Platinum 6922 tube types in Carina. I will see what I can dig up/buy for 84's and Rectifier's too.....that are worthy.

Eddie, if you're out there.....nice Amp Sir. I'm enjoying her in Triode with Tone Mode A and B....depending on the Music. The option for UL is great to have too. Love the uses of the Standby up and Stand down also. Very well explained and "the why" in the Manual. It is four Amps in one....and very well made. The after market Custom Bubinga Wood I have on her....makes for an even more beautiful look. Output Tranny's, Caps and Power Supply Caps....very nice/impressive (to see and Sonically).

W/6ohm load from Carina, with my simple crossover cap (Mundorf Mcap Supreme).....6ohm Adagio driver's is a match made in heaven. Great Sonic SPL's with 1.5 watts/channel (at moderate SPL Volumes).


Of course my Zen Mystery Amplifier....is Zeus and Reigns Supreme. But, having a EL84 based Triode again.... is its own Animal/to be appreciated in its own "Pocket".
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Reply #262 - 12/16/16 at 18:38:39
 
If you keep your eyes open some nice deals come along.  Glad to hear you like the amp.

I am at home today and listening to the Torii with the 6N11 and at $20 shipped these tubes are pretty nice.  I dare say they are my favorites in the Torii.  I will roll a little more to confirm.
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Reply #263 - 12/16/16 at 19:12:30
 
I just recevied an E-mail from eBay saying that the shop that was sold out of the 6N11 now has them back in stock. Maybe I'll pick up a pair...but I found a box of tubes, and it's silly how many random pairs I have around already. I should start selling them off in favor of one or two sets I really like.

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Reply #264 - 12/16/16 at 19:17:42
 
Cool, those 6N11's. You can only get them from here right (which is great)?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Shuguang-Chinese-6N11-6922-6DJ8-Vacuum-Tube-2PCS-/12...

Yes, nice to be home on a Friday, right?  Me too. However, I will be up till the wee hours after midnight. My son fly's in tonight/home....and we are getting a snow storm with bone chilling cold.

Anyway, I am thinking about switching to Steve's new Omega (from my Rachael order), to hear the Carina do its thing at higher SPL's. She is sweet at moderate volume. But, like what the ZMA can do (at low, moderate and high SPL's) with my Adagio's and sound sublime like Triode.........I want out of the Carina/with Omega's. Also, hear what the Omega's can do with my ZMA. Keeping an open mind....but, I am biased for my love of my modified Adagio's and the quality of their driver's and tweeter's/sonically.


Caveat to "sweet at moderate volumes". It depends on the recording. Half of what I've listened to so far with the Carina....you can go there at higher SPL and Density.....without running out of gas with my mod' Adagio's. In Triode/1.5 watts/ch....running in to them.
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Reply #265 - 12/16/16 at 19:24:36
 

I just noticed - there is an adapter to go from 5687 to 6N11.

That could open up a whole world of available NOS tubes similar to the ECC88, just different pin outs.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1x-5687-to-6N6-6N1-6N2-6N6-6N11-ECC88-E88CC-Vacuum-tube-...


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Reply #266 - 12/16/16 at 19:27:38
 
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Reply #264 - Today at 13:17:42   Cool, those 6N11's. You can only get them from here right (which is great)?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Shuguang-Chinese-6N11-6922-6DJ8-Vacuum-Tube-2PCS-/12....



We've talked about so many different chinese input tubes and which sellers have the better ones...I don't recall which are the good ones anymore.
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Reply #267 - 12/16/16 at 19:42:04
 
True, I've followed that 6N11 thread...... .
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Reply #268 - 12/16/16 at 19:45:05
 
I got a pair of those in a few weeks ago. . . but I haven't placed them anywhere. I love what I'm hearing now, don't want to upset any apple carts.
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Reply #269 - 12/16/16 at 19:51:51
 
I will lose no sleep NOT running a 6N11. I'm doing okay with my bevy of NOS 6922 tube types. I might try a pair I can trust....down the road though.....glad Pal is digging them...... . They might impress the shiiiit out of me. Don't knock it, till you try it. I know Steve from the thread of course recommended them as well.
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Reply #270 - 12/16/16 at 19:53:18
 
I'm not knockin' 'em, just don't feel the need to change right now. Part of happiness is knowing when to rest in the pursuit. Smiley
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Reply #271 - 12/16/16 at 19:58:44
 
I never implied you were knocking them. Me either. NOS tubes I have though....I guess, I am knocking them just a little.....but will try eventually as I stated. Not being a NOS Plat' tube snob.....I think?   Grin
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Reply #272 - 12/16/16 at 20:23:15
 
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I will lose no sleep NOT running a 6N11. I'm doing okay with my bevy of NOS 6922 tube types. I might try a pair I can trust....down the road though.....glad Pal is digging them...... . They might impress the shiiiit out of me. Don't knock it, till you try it. I know Steve from the thread of course recommended them as well.


Yeah, but you've got some fine ass 6922 types - and some money invested in them.

IMHO, the only ones that made me go WOW, were the Telefunkin I put in the PI section. They just add some magic "air" to the sound I can't describe. But they are really tired beaten up, mismatched tubes that I got from who knows where....I really can't afford good NOS ones.

If I could find a tube that will give me that sound, at under $100 a pair, I'd stock up!

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Reply #273 - 12/16/16 at 21:51:24
 
I got some of the 6PS3-E's from cryoset.  They're running in now.  Right out of the gate... they certainly aren't bad.  Word on the street is they fill in and "bloom" nicely with some hours.  If they do - they'll be pretty sweet - way more than "good enough" for everyday tubes.

jumped on the Shuguang 6H1N train too.  Got two pair, they arrived last week.  They "look" well made, but I haven't even had a chance to stick them in an amp or pre to see if they even function yet.  Don't want to mess with too many variables at once, lest I get lost in the jungle to never find my way again... without much pain and frustration.
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Reply #274 - 12/16/16 at 21:54:25
 
Oh, Lon, you ought to know now when to rest in the pursuit. All the comical stuff you have had in.....over the years since 2001 when I joined this Forum. You have been a treat.

I go and roll with the best Amps.


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Reply #275 - 12/16/16 at 22:18:13
 
Ha~! I have excellent components and have held steady for a while. You keep trying to keep up with the Joneses! Smiley

And Steve told me that he can't put a treble cut circuit on the ZMA so it's out of the running for me. His amps are too ear-bleedy without the treble cut circuit.

LOL  Have a great weekend.
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Reply #276 - 12/16/16 at 22:19:49
 
Oh boy, Rob, if you read this, did Carina sit for awhile? I'm getting Triode Bloom right now at some - some what impressive SPL's...pushing her. NICE.
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Reply #277 - 12/16/16 at 22:24:53
 
No Jonses here old man? Apparently you have not been paying attention over the years and side tracked by a power base or two.....to what matters in the System and Cabling.....and I have all that in components. Plus, tubes.  ;D Cheesy

If their was better I would own it. The Jonses has been your path, clearly.
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Reply #278 - 12/16/16 at 22:30:07
 
Au contraire you have gone through amp after amp and speaker after speaker. PowerBases are a very nice part of my system, and I have excellent cabling, it's not what you like, but so what, my ears apparently are different from yours because you need tons of treble! I have tubes too, I just refuse to pay boutique prices for tubes, but I have tubes alright.

You have more stuff on order and are planning on buying more stuff, Mr. Jones.

I have no intention of arguing, just calling it like I see it. You enjoy yours, I'll enjoy mine, they are all good imo. Just matters of taste.
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Reply #279 - 12/16/16 at 22:37:59
 
Pardon the old man part .... Hell I'm no Spring chicken. Hey, the Speakers I did own were....ah forgetta about it.....to bad you can't hear good Treble.




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Reply #280 - 12/16/16 at 22:41:09
 
Interestingly enough, I've recently had my ears checked, and yes, I hear plenty of treble.

Peace. Have a nice weekend and stay warm. It's colder there, and man it's cold here.
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Reply #281 - 12/16/16 at 22:51:45
 
You probably hear as well as me if not better. The stuff you have tried over the years is good stuff and not comical. I should not have said that.

Yes, not only cold, but my sons flight is already delayed - snow storm. I'll be up till  4 in the morning to get him home I think...... .

Stay warm and have a great weekend too.
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Reply #282 - 12/16/16 at 23:10:02
 
I'm worried about the weather for flying too as my sister is coming in from Richmond and we're all going to be together and do our Xmas exchange this weekend. The weather is going to be really nasty tomorrow. . . probably. . . when she is due.

Hope your son makes it in okay and not TOO late. More and more as time goes by I realize nothing is more important than love and family. I thank the universe every day for my wonderful wife and my family, and the chance I had to take care of my Mom the last two years of her life. Some things you can't get if you miss the opportunity!

I can't wait to give my Dad his gift. . . he loves Mozart and he loves to read German so I got him the German edition of the new "Mozart 225" box set, 200 cds of all Mozart's work, even fragments, and 300 pages of German hard back books for him to read, a bio and a musical analysis. He's going to be very happy!

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Reply #283 - 12/17/16 at 00:38:13
 
Quote:
I am at home today and listening to the Torii with the 6N11 and at $20 shipped these tubes are pretty nice.  I dare say they are my favorites in the Torii.  I will roll a little more to confirm.


I tried a quad in my ZMA and didn't hear a difference compared with the Russian tubes Steve put in (which to me means they are very good).  I'd be curious if any others have tried them in a ZMA.  They are a crazy bargain at $20/pr since Steve sells those Russian tubes for $45/ea plus shipping.
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Reply #284 - 12/17/16 at 19:29:20
 
Lon, got my son in and home. The roads were not good. I did not make it to bed until 3:25 am today. His flight was delayed and he landed at 12:51 am.
Here's to your sister getting in uninterrupted and I hope you have great Christmas exchange. Sweet gift for your dad too.


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"Yeah, but you've got some fine ass 6922 types - and some money invested in them."

I do and I was lucky to afford and get them in 2015 and some this year because of the gear I parted with/sold, mid to late last year. Very pleased in the differences between these Input Tubes from Upscale Audio/Kevin. If they did not bring something good and different per pair.....I would have already sold in AudiogoN's tube section @ .65 to .85 cents on the dollar.

I was able to swing getting the Carina. However, I need to tighten the budget. The only reason I try other gear is because I'm an music lover and hobbyist. Always wanted to try a Eddie Vaughn Carina. So, I have one now and I am not disappointed.

I could certainly leave well enough alone now. My ZMA and Modified Adagio's are all I need (and associated gear). However, the Carina has its own "pocket" EL84 Pentode in Triode to be enjoyed one week a month vs. the ZMA three out of four weeks a month. I could not pass up the price on the Carina and it turned out to be a winner! Fortunately, I've received some good deals on gear (for recent example.....the Carina and my KS6063 Speaker Cable), to make up for some losses in this hobby.

I will now have to cancel my Rachael. Maybe in 2018 (not 2017), if I can afford it...I'll bring in the Rach'.  As for the new Speakers/Omega? Maybe, I will go to Decware to hear with my modded Adagio's and some of my other associated gear against the Decware Omega and with a UFO Rachael. My Adagio's are the ones to beat being driven by my ZMA and now Carina.
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Reply #285 - 12/17/16 at 20:06:49
 
Darn, a late night but at least you two are together. My sister is in safely and she's visiting with Dad right now. Can't wait for the big get together tomorrow, we four siblings have not all been together since March at my nephew's wedding in Richmond. We actually like each other, it's weird. Smiley
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Reply #286 - 12/19/16 at 17:08:28
 
Glad to read your sister came in safely and hope as a family, you all had a great day yesterday and today!
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Reply #287 - 12/19/16 at 17:12:16
 
Thanks, yes we did, and my Dad was bowled over by the Mozart box! He'll have much to listen to all year! And he's going to love to read the books.

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Reply #288 - 12/22/16 at 13:31:53
 
Happy holidays to you and yours too Lon.

Well, after a week with a well seasoned Eddie V. Carina....I realized as good as the Carina is (returning) and my sold SE84CS was, that I used every day for 13 years.....

......and my sold SuperZenCKC, I had for a couple years......:

I no longer can do low power Amps.


My ZMA is my CS with balls. My Cabling, Speaker's and NOS Plat tubes complete the sonic picture. Music consumption, finally....is all that remains now. I canceled my Rachael too...no need, obviously.

I have run through all the top DAC's in my Listening Room too (found below). Steve's ZDSD with his output transformer's....beat them all.

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~NOS Platinum Tubes from Upscale Audio/Kevin:

(Great Britain) Mullard 7308/E188CC ~  2 pair (both pair Cryogenic)
(Germany) Telefunken E88CC ~ 1 pair
(US/Great Britain) Ediswan CV2492/6922 ~ 2 pair (one pair Cryogenic)
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Reply #289 - 12/22/16 at 13:51:03
 
Oh, I forgot. I've had in 3 of the best diverse Preamp's too (Decware, Audio Research and Linear Tube Audio). No longer a need for me either. The ZMA Sonic's are to Special to Taint IMO.
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Reply #290 - 01/18/17 at 20:55:21
 
Okay, after a year.5 of tube rolling....I'm absolutely done with all other tubes except for these combinations in my ZMA:

Mullard 7308/E188CC inputs ~ Telefunken E88CC inverter's
Ediswan CV2492/6922 inputs ~ Tungsram PCC88/7DJ8 inverter's
Tungsram 6922/E88CC inputs ~ Tungsram PCC88/7DJ8 inverter's

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(Great Britain) Mullard 7308/E188CC ~  2 pair (both pair Cryogenic)
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(US/Great Britain) Ediswan CV2492/6922 ~ 2 pair (one pair Cryogenic)
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(Hungary) Tungsram PCC88/7DJ8 ~ 1 pair.

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Reply #291 - 01/18/17 at 21:48:12
 
Stone, I'm sure you'd like the Amperex 7308s, either the USA or Holland made.  I bet they sound very similar to your Mullards since the same tooling was likely used...Mullard and Amperex were both under the Phillips brand.  Also for tubes of the same time period the internals should look the same. Maybe someone more knowledgeable in regards to tube history could chime in.  Mark.
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Reply #292 - 01/19/17 at 05:36:15
 
Yeah, I might as well get them. I think I can get the 1968 Hicksville, NY ones from Kevin/NOS Plat. I have had good luck with my NOS journey. My above pairings are amazing and different from each.
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Reply #293 - 01/19/17 at 17:56:46
 
I don't find the American Amperex to be similar to any Holland Amperex or Mullards I have tried (quite a few). The American tubes are very good tubes, and to me are in a league by themselves in terms of signature. Personally, I always like them, but rarely do they stay in.

I used them a fair bit in my CSP3 some years ago, more in the input than output, but liked them separately in each of the positions for quite a while. There is no doubt it is a great tube with a very sophisticated sound...It is quiet, excellent solid bass, impressively open and textured mids and upper mids, and related to the slightly rolled off top, subtle, but something missing.

To me they are always very impressive when I put them in, then I miss something that I can't get over. Not so much an obvious lack of detail, but more a lack of the finest detail and upper air and shimmer. The mids and upper mids air, space and textures being so good, they give the impression of having "it all," but I find myself trying to "will" a little more out of them. For me they are a little deceptive in this way...sounding so good, I expect to hear "it all," but missing just a little something I personally "need" in a tube.

Could just be my DAC and system/room, as lots of folks love the tube. But there are many E88CC, ECC88, and PCC88s that stay in much longer here.

That said, it is clearly an excellent and distinctive example of the tube world.
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Reply #294 - 01/19/17 at 18:06:27
 
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Reply #295 - 01/20/17 at 03:43:42
 
I know what you say will. I have found the Mullard I have to be the tube for me as inputs and the Telefunken as inverter's, to have that detail and shimmer with inner tone that my 2nd and 3rd pairings listed in reply .... They can't match.

My Ediswans are a fantastic pair of input tubes... But, they are not my Mull/Tele combo. Nice to be done.
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Reply #296 - 01/21/17 at 23:08:59
 
I'm listening to Duke Ellington Meets Coleman Hawkins with the below combo in my ZMA as I type this:

Ediswan CV2492/6922 inputs ~ Tungsram PCC88/7DJ8 inverter's

I was previously listening to a full set of Tungsram 7DJ8's, but I had an input tube go on me.  So, I decided to put the Ediswan's in......sounds fantastic!

Also, as part of my troubleshooting process, I confirmed, for the last time, that I don't like Gold Lion KT66's in the ZMA.  The sound is too soft, less dynamic, and I lose macro/micro detail/air.  

I saw from LR's pic that Steve had Psvane KT-88's in his ZMA box (which I didn't think were compatible with the ZMA), but I checked the manual and KT88's were listed as potential power tube replacements.  That said, they are quite pricey.  I'm sticking with the Tung-Sols (for now).

Stone...I might pick up some of those Mullards to cycle in...
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Reply #297 - 01/24/17 at 16:26:35
 
You inspired me today Dave. I have not listened to the Hawk, in awhile. I'm playing Coleman Hawkins encounter's Ben Webster right now. I'll dig out some Duke later today!

Yes, I think you will enjoy the Mullard E188CC/7308's very much. I do have the Edi with Tung's in, you are running right now...and no hurry to go back to the Mull's. You know, they are just that good! However, my favorite combo is these Mull's with the Telefunken 6922/E88CC for inverter's/yes expensive....but good for probably 8500 to 10000 hrs....so worth every penny.

Two trustworthy sources for the Mull's:
http://www.thetubestore.com/Tubes/6922-E88CC-Tube-Types/Mullard-E188CC-7308

https://www.upscaleaudio.com/collections/preamp-tubes/products/mullard-e188cc-73...

I have two pair of these Mull's, Cryo'd and Platinum from Kevin....also, worth every penny.

Dollar for dollar.....least expensive System upgrades one can do.

I'm sticking with the reissue Tung-Sol's/KT66's....they are so exquisite and malleable.....to influence with the best ever made and musical.....input/6922 tubes.







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Decware Zen Mystery Amplifier
~BIASED at *60* mA~
(NOS/Platinum/Mullard E188CC/7308's in my A12 an B12 Input positions Cryogenic~NOS/Platinum/Telefunken E88CC for Inverter Tubes~NOS RCA 0A3's & matched Quad/Tung-Sol KT66's)
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++ ZDSD DAC, kicked to the Curb: Auralic Vega, PS Audio PWT & PWD, PS Audio Direct Stream DAC, Chord Qute, NAD M51 (twice) & Schiit Yggdrasil.


~NOS Platinum Tubes from Upscale Audio/Kevin:

(Great Britain) Mullard 7308/E188CC ~  2 pair (both pair Cryogenic)
(Germany) Telefunken E88CC ~ 1 pair
(US/Great Britain) Ediswan CV2492/6922 ~ 2 pair (one pair Cryogenic)
(Hungary) Tungsram 6922/E88CC ~ 1 pair
(Hungary) Tungsram PCC88/7DJ8 ~ 1 pair.

From Cryoset:
(Russia) 6N23N/P-EB ~ 2 pair

(Russia) 6N23P's ~ 2 pair/came with ZMA.  


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Reply #298 - 01/24/17 at 22:01:46
 
Are those really worth that high of a price?
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Reply #299 - 01/25/17 at 11:53:15
 
http://www.partsconnexion.com/TUNGSRAM-PCC88-7DJ8-Tube_moreinfo.html

Match...just got a note from Parts Connexion about a batch of Tungsram 7DJ8's they just got, and are on currently on sale.  Hopefully the link above works.  These are the tubes I was using prior to switching out the input tubes with Ediswan's.  They are reasonably priced NOS tubes that were recommended to me as sounding like the Ediswans.
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