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NEW Decware ZTPRE Preamp
03/25/15 at 17:52:59
 
 


3/17/2016 - The ZTPRE is now online and we are taking orders.  The page is however not yet public.  People on our customer appreciation list have been notified and now the forum.  The introductory price is only planned to last through the fist 25 units, so we wanted to give the greater Decware family first dibs at it.  So far I think we have 8 units sold.  We'll wait another week for any interested forum visitors to place an order then we'll officially add it to the web site's product menu.

http://www.decware.com/newsite/ZTPRE.html


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NOW BACK TO ONE YEAR AGO WHEN THIS THREAD STARTED...



OK Master Deckert....

you've now mentioned a couple of times in a thread or two here, that you're working on a new preamp - targeted completion date of this fall. Throw us dogs a bone or two here...... pretty please! Features, layout, inputs... what's the theory/objective driving you on this piece?  We like to be teased....!
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Reply #1 - 03/30/15 at 21:36:19
 
Master Steve.... where are you?
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Re: New Decware Preamp
Reply #2 - 03/30/15 at 21:44:16
 
I suppose he will reply to reply #188 when he is ready maddog?!
http://www.decware.com/cgi-bin/yabb22/YaBB.pl?num=1408725911/180#180
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Reply #3 - 03/30/15 at 22:56:19
 

I'll see what I can get out of him whenever my ZMA is ready for pickup. I tried calling today and wound up just leaving a message saying "call me if you need anything from me".

Him being busy is good - that either means he's making money, which means more funding for R&D, or he's busy doing said R&D. LOL

It all comes when the audio gods wish it though. I've seen and felt that myself - most of my audiophile journey has been little nudges (or sometimes big kick in the pants) from the audio gods. Hell, even my job takes me down to Peoria now - which brought me back into the fold and got me into the MG944 and ZMA - friggen 15 years(!) after getting my little Zen amp from Steve.

So while the Torii V was unplugged - we just need to wait for things to fall into place for the other pet projects.   Wink
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Re: New Decware Preamp
Reply #4 - 04/01/15 at 15:41:23
 
Well I sent him an email and got an automatic reply that he was out until April 6.  Is he on vacation or immersing himself in a project?
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Re: New Decware Preamp
Reply #5 - 04/10/15 at 00:57:27
 
Sorry, I just saw this post...

The preamp is going to be a balanced circuit using two CSP3 circuits, one for the push and one for the pull.  So that's 3 dual triode tubes per channel. This way the signature of the preamp maintains the tried and true sonic merits of a CSP3.  Think of it as a CSP3 on steroids.

There will likely be an option for wireless remote control of the volume.

It will look better than any line level product we've ever made and fit into the shelves of any audio rack.

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Reply #6 - 04/10/15 at 03:38:32
 
Oh great, something more to lust after. I may need to up my group therapy by one or two more days a week.
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Reply #7 - 04/10/15 at 05:28:23
 
That sounds like an amazing piece, looking forward hearing and seeing it!
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Reply #8 - 04/10/15 at 16:59:43
 

Steve told me he's spending 100 hours alone on the CAD design of the Chassis. So it sounds like he's very serious about making this the best it could possibly be.
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Reply #9 - 04/10/15 at 21:25:51
 
This sounds like it going to be something special and I can't wait to see the outcome.
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Reply #10 - 04/14/15 at 22:38:47
 
I've got "wood" already.... this is exactly the kind of peamp I was hoping Steve would create.
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Re: New Decware Preamp
Reply #11 - 04/15/15 at 06:37:03
 
With remote I'm in. UPS will be bringing to my door.
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Re: New Decware Preamp
Reply #12 - 04/20/15 at 19:45:58
 
Steve, please tell me it is going to have a remote for volume? I know it comes at a cost. I'm willing to pay that cost; especially knowing you will design it-not to impede on the sonic's. You mentioned it might be an option.

Any chance we can get a glimpse/CAD view pic maybe or better?

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Reply #13 - 04/20/15 at 20:44:37
 
Still getting some newish albums into my comfort zone.
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Reply #14 - 04/20/15 at 22:37:26
 
Please correct me if I'm wrong here, but from what I'm piecing together it seems as if there are going to be:

  • 4 line level inputs
  • With a portion of those inputs being truly balanced
  • Remote for volume
  • Inside the best looking and made chassis that Decware has ever made
  • Decware Value, Build Quality and Warranty

If these specs can hold to final production this thing's going to kick some serious ass!  I think I can hear another Tone Audio award coming. Cool
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Reply #15 - 04/21/15 at 04:48:09
 
I like your thinking Beowulf.

I have solved my dilemma. I will purchase them all in order of release.
SE84CKCS UFO MOD w/Jupiter Caps
Torii Junior
New Preamplifier
6C33C Mono's
.....then the ZP3 an update my Cartridge

Just kidding! However, I want the new Pre this fall.
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Reply #16 - 04/23/15 at 20:02:35
 
Steve shared some CAD drawings of the new preamp amp with me... I'm surprised he hasn't posted them here.  It is very cool and very unique looking... a departure from the typical Decware vintage look.  Remote volume is in the design as I understand it.
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Reply #17 - 04/23/15 at 21:25:25
 
Yeah, remote volume will be an (I'm assuming expensive) option.

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Reply #18 - 04/23/15 at 22:00:37
 
he didn't say.... kind of sounded like remote volume would be std.
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Reply #19 - 04/23/15 at 22:16:36
 
@ maddog07 - he just sent them to you via email?  Sounds cool, hopefully he'll post them here as well! Cool
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Reply #20 - 04/23/15 at 23:07:51
 
yes... I responded to one of the mass emailings decware sent out a week or so ago and in my response I ask for some teasers on the preamp... Steve then replied with some prototype cad/cam case work pics....
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Reply #21 - 04/24/15 at 18:51:24
 
If you can't wait for Steve's new preamp, this looks like the real deal:

http://www.stereophile.com/content/luxman-classic-cl-38u-preamplifier
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Reply #22 - 04/24/15 at 20:51:25
 

It`s gonna look mighty impressive if it`s the size of an SE34
I wonder if it will have dedicated inputs....phono, cd, aux, etc.
I`ve plugged things into these inputs and they never seem to make a difference if you get them the wrong way round but guess there must be subtle differences in input circuitry. Perhaps a boost for phono ?
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Reply #23 - 04/25/15 at 15:05:56
 
OK, my obsessive compulsive nature tells me I have to have one of these. How much $ do I need for the fall? I going to start saving my money now.
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Reply #24 - 04/25/15 at 16:31:50
 
kana, I'll wait for Steve's (pics please), no circuit boards and adjustable voltage output is a must have.






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Reply #25 - 04/25/15 at 20:31:19
 
If this new preamp beats out the CSP3 then it's going to have to be mighty fine!  The CSP3 is a giant killer in my book.  I hope Steve does not deviate much from the classic Decware look?  If it is simply a couple of CSP3 circuits with a common power supply it should be nothing but goodness...
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Reply #27 - 04/28/15 at 05:20:36
 
Sweet! I want one! Smiley
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Reply #28 - 04/28/15 at 12:01:45
 
Ok. I'll have to say, THAT's interestingly different.
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Reply #29 - 04/28/15 at 13:51:34
 
Nice, I like it. I think it should be called the Decware Stealth pre amp.
It has the Stealth bomber look.
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Reply #30 - 04/28/15 at 13:52:43
 
Looks like a fine preamp, a fitting companion to the ZMA and the flagship Monos!

If my ship comes in looks as if this and a ZMA would be a great heartbeat for a system, and it also looks as if a treble cut circuit could be added. Wink But my ship is not due for some time. And by then Steve will have several new components to tempt!
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Reply #31 - 04/28/15 at 20:35:14
 
Wow, a Decware preamp with a faceplate and balanced ins and outs!

Will it have a remote control?
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Reply #32 - 04/28/15 at 20:55:35
 

Yes, Yes, and Yes.

I believe the remote is only for the volume though.
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Reply #33 - 05/01/15 at 13:53:25
 
I like it!  Deuce, I like your suggestion. The Stealth! Walk softly, but carry a big stick.

Ordered the day it becomes available.  Looks like some fine capabilities an with remote volume, Decware transparency/musicality + adjustable voltage output = no brainer!






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Reply #34 - 05/01/15 at 14:35:47
 
I like the "cut" looks in it. Mondial Design's Solid State Aragon Amps have it. Steve is taking it one step further, with Tube beauty,  accessibility for Tube rolling and viewing the beauty of the Fire Bottles. Very nice indeed.

I still have a sweet spot for Herron Audio's Preamplifier though and still might end up owning it to accompany my ZMA. I have heard this Pre, or I should say.....you can't hear this Pre....is more like it.

http://www.herronaudio.com/vtsp3specs.html

http://www.positive-feedback.com/Issue58/herron.htm

What I need to play around with more on the Herron is the:
"Many line stages have fixed amounts of gain that may make 80% of the volume-control range unusable, with gradations too coarse to find the single right volume setting for the listener. The Herron VTSP-3A employs both high gain (12dB) and low gain (6dB), selectable via the front panel (the manual covers how). I found that 6dB was plenty, enabling very fine increments of volume control that made dialing in my listening sessions a pure joy".
http://www.ultraaudio.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=188:herro...

Obviously similar (to the Ears), I like Steve's adjustable voltage output.

However, Steve will match it with the new Pre coming.....because I know how good the CSP3 w/Jupiter Caps is...and I own. I also hope to better afford Steve's. I have no problem sending my ZMA in for the Balanced Inputs. I should have had it done when he made it. Drats-my bad.

Then again, I should have my head examined? I would have to get two pair of XLR IC's, when I already have great unbalanced IC's running out of Steve's truly amazing output trannies-from my ZDSD, then out of the CSP3! Of course, my goal is to have a few more Inputs for Sources and Remote Volume by moving from the CSP3.

Hey, I've lost 26 pounds over the last 9 weeks and I'm running again. I can get up out of my Listening Chair for Volume adjustment as I have been doing!  ;D

To be revisited in the Fall.  Herron or Decware .....Herron or Decware....Herron or Decware.....good problem to have!
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Reply #35 - 05/02/15 at 15:46:07
 
I want Steve's Pre.

However, doing XLR/RCA connectors, would introduce noise, right?

http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=CRFXLFRC

http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=CRFRCMXL

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Re: New Decware Preamp
Reply #36 - 05/02/15 at 18:36:27
 
I've used one of those for a digital connection and. . .no, not as far as I can tell.

What would you be using one for? Does your ZMA only have RCA connections?
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Reply #37 - 05/02/15 at 18:53:51
 
The new pre amp outside schematics show balanced in/outs hence an xlr/rca converter for those who dont use xlr`s anywhere.
The xlr`s might just be an option though.
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Reply #38 - 05/02/15 at 20:42:55
 
Do I see attenuation knobs for each source on the back panel?
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Reply #41 - 05/03/15 at 03:23:47
 
The red faceplate sure is purdy.
Why no counterbored holes on the plates so the screw heads don't stick out?
Oops, I blew the photo up and see the counterbores.
I'll shut up now.
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Reply #42 - 05/03/15 at 15:44:22
 
I have no problem with getting the RCA/XLR connectors if the Pre is only configured in XLR in an out. Then, I don't have to send my ZMA in for Balanced Inputs.

Beautiful looking Steve and I see the IR hole!

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New Pre done deal.  Now, can I swing the new Mono's too?! Ah, yeah, I think I will. I'm not growing younger.
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Reply #43 - 05/04/15 at 01:46:45
 
Wow, Steve wasn't joking about the build and look of this preamp!  It's definitely the nicest looking piece of Decware gear that I've seen yet!  Simple, subtle and elegant ... the faceplate looks orange (???) on my monitor ... (if so I dig the orange) and can imagine it sitting next to a walnut pair of 63CC3 SET mono blocks ... can you say dream system? Cool
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Reply #44 - 06/17/15 at 17:29:10
 
~Bump~

I'm sure Steve will tell us more in due time. I know he is working on the Torii JR..
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Reply #45 - 07/26/15 at 04:49:42
 
It does look nice, but very much out of my price range. I'm going to have to replace my dynaco sca35 It has to be worked on so often, plus Decware stuff is so much better engineered.  I will have to pick an amp without a preamp. which unless you have ideas, Anyone?
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Reply #46 - 08/12/15 at 18:35:03
 
Zenmaster SteveD....

got any bones to throw us on the preamp?  any progress or news?
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Reply #47 - 08/15/15 at 19:42:30
 
Oh yeah maddog, I want some more info from the Zenmaster. You can never have enough Decware.

Master volume with remote control, headphone jack & voltage output adjustment...........voltage input adjust too...it looks like? cool
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Waiting for the first order of chassis to arrive now. Wink

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Reply #49 - 08/17/15 at 15:04:35
 
Going to be a fantastic preamp.
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