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Re: Anyone Tube Roll with the ZMA yet?
Reply #400 - 07/07/18 at 23:13:49
 
It's up to you, Stone, but if those are all they have, they'll be gone soon. There is a German seller who always has them for $279 per quad though.  Several years ago he was selling them for as low as $169 a Quad.
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Reply #401 - 07/08/18 at 15:18:49
 
Ahhh yes! Only two hours in on these headroom little monster's. I love the ZMA!

....50 hrs needed....of course/for full bloom....but what a steal & cryogenic too.

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Reply #402 - 07/08/18 at 15:27:42
 
Will the 7581A's work with a stock/unmodified ZMA?
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Reply #403 - 07/08/18 at 15:31:06
 
Hi Norm.

Yup, The 7581A's are pinned the same as 6L6's.

I have them biased like the 6P's = 48~50 mA.

I will bring them up to 56 mA (after some hours on them)....they can do it/I will see/hear.
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Reply #404 - 07/08/18 at 15:40:36
 
Where did you get them?
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Reply #405 - 07/08/18 at 15:53:39
 
To heck with waiting to bring up the bias....these 7581A's wanted 55~56 mA in their initial rise on the bias/balance meter's. I just put them their at 83db SPL to 91db SPL peaks and they are loving it. (Yes, everyone should have an SPL meter).

Caveat Emptor though....:
the headroom up there....you need speaker's overall & tweeter's to handle it (to appreciate them=no rolled off full range and/or with tweeter's x-over, way to high) + cabling MATTER's.
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Reply #406 - 07/08/18 at 16:04:39
 
Ah.  New Tong-Sol's Correct?
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Reply #407 - 07/08/18 at 16:13:41
 
You know it.
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Reply #408 - 07/08/18 at 16:44:09
 
"Ah.  New Tong-Sol's Correct?"

Always remember to go back a few posts/other page:
see reply #386....through present.  8-)

+I ordered them the morn' of July 4th...before heading out to party.
Received, in my locked mailbox yesterday (Sat) afternoon! I call Ron the lightening shipper from North CA to MN.
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Reply #409 - 07/08/18 at 17:37:04
 
Thanks.  I did not go back far enough and the recommendations on this post change a lot....heh...

Note from Ron:  Sorry but I have only 1 pair of these available at this time.

Guess I am out of luck for now.  A guy on eBay has them so I may pursue that route.
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Reply #410 - 07/08/18 at 18:49:40
 
Ron say when he would get more in stock?

Initial impressions are: Very damn good...forward, but not in an aggressive way...very captivating! Treble/up there is excellent!

I look forward to the journey with these to 50 hrs. Plus, comparison to the 6P's (in which, we know are wonderful tubes).

The budget allows for the T-Sol 7027A's in August!  
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Reply #411 - 07/08/18 at 20:47:52
 
Ron said he should have more in a month. In the meantime, I ordered a matched quad on eBay.
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Reply #412 - 07/08/18 at 20:59:02
 
Cool Norm.

5 hours on these and the harmonics in tone are notable + detail. Pleased I purchased them. Oh yeah, midrange is sweet and bass is taunt.

I'm really a big believer in the cryogenic process for tubes too.

Look forward to your initial impressions Norm. Unfortunately, I won't be able to enjoy more hours of their journey until Thursday or Friday.
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Reply #413 - 07/09/18 at 02:46:14
 
Stone:

Have you been able to compare similar tubes that have been cryogenically treated vs. untreated?  I have not, so I cannot comment on the effects, but I am leery about the cryo process impact on tube life and integrity. The pins are metal and the tube envelope is glass and they each have different coefficients of expansion and contraction. Just using tubes inherently tests this metal-to-glass interface as they heat up and cool. My thinking is that the cryo process has an even more dramatic impact on that interface due to the differences in expansion and contraction. My preference has been to avoid cryo tubes for that reason. Just my opinion.

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Reply #414 - 07/09/18 at 21:38:14
 
It's a good opinion Norm. This cryo thing could be a bunch of whoooooey.
I have been pleased with my three quads so far from Ron. Whether, cryo has any effect and adds to tube longevity or does not, as you state....long as they perform as long as I think they should...works for me.

Norm, are you considering the enhancement to your ZMA? I don't call it an upgrade, because I enjoy my ZMA as is (four years and almost six months and counting).
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Reply #415 - 07/09/18 at 22:34:31
 
I will most likely do Steve’s 25th anniversary (or ZMA2) upgrade. What else are you thinking?
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Reply #416 - 07/10/18 at 14:49:26
 
Yes, I like the ZMA2 (J of A/cool), being potentially coined, for the enhancement.

I will most likely do it too. No one else but Steve/Decware, is going to do it.

I am not going back to low power.....the ZMA is my Listening Room Amplifier  ~ period.

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Reply #417 - 07/11/18 at 21:47:11
 
I had some time to enjoy more of the 7581A's yesterday. I am enjoying these tubes immensely. I don't think I'm changing my ZMA. I'm not, I bet.

I will look in, now and again.....to see what other stuff Steve might have cookin.
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Reply #418 - 07/11/18 at 22:54:06
 
Are you still running them at 55-56mA?

I thought that mine came in today....but they sent me four Gold Lion KT77's instead.  Don't think I'm going to accept that...
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Reply #419 - 07/14/18 at 00:31:03
 
Yes, I got them at 55-56 Norm. Great bass, in these too!

KT77's? It can happen. Did you try them?
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Reply #420 - 07/14/18 at 00:41:33
 
I have a LOVE/HATE realationship with NOS tubes.  I absolutely love these Phillips ECG 7027A tubes.  With my current amp make-up, these have been the best sounding of all the tubes Ive rolled.  So why do I hate them so much you might ask?  Well, I’m only a few months into them and I already have a tube that won’t stay biased.  It may be a bit unfair to hate them for this as current production could fail in equal manner, but at $400 a set after shipping, it is hard not to be a little pissed off.  NOS categorically are the best of breed sound-wise and reliability, but damn  every time I tell myself, “no more NOS” for this very reason (i.e. price with no reprieve if a failure occurs) I go and buy not just one set, but two!!  I have a backup quad of this same tube but never imagined I would be placing them any sooner than a year, maybe two.   Undecided

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Reply #421 - 07/14/18 at 01:14:03
 
I read ya Jeff. I own $1500 of input NOS plat' grade from uncle Kevy.... And all are in tip top shape for three years now. Knock on wood.

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Reply #422 - 07/14/18 at 02:17:52
 
Just threw back in my PSvane EL34PH quad to give this set a some freedom to shine this weekend.  Its been awhile....
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Reply #423 - 07/15/18 at 14:54:45
 
I read ya Jeff (those are the 34's I want). I only have 20 hours or so on my 7581A's...nice tubes. However, I glanced over at my Gold Lion KT88's cryo....put them in this morning...it has been awhile for these!

.....the big landscape picture man....like melted butter on lobster...with your best girl, that can't get enough of you!

Love my 6P's for what they do in detail, midrange/imaging and shimmer up top (and the 7581A's have potential).  The KT88's, though...a whole other ball game of MAJESTY.................  

...it is 9 am now....Sue know's...I have to enjoy this till 1 pm...then, we have the whole rest of this beautiful Sunday to get out there!

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Reply #424 - 07/15/18 at 18:54:20
 
Ain’t that the truth!  I’ve got a selection of tubes, all so different, and all absolutely worthy of time in the ZMA.  Such a blissful dilemma   Roll Eyes

The EL34PH’s are biased at 40ma right now.  They can reach about 44 but I like to leave a smidge of headroom for micro adjustments/balance.  These are awesome tubes.  Warmer than any of the others but still exhibit some impressive detail.  So pleasant, not even a remote element of fatigue.  As a matter of fact, their strongest suit is musicality and if there was such a thing as “negative fatigue,” this tube would be the poster child.
They are incredibly stable in the biased department.  I don’t have a ton of time on them but after they warm and settle for an hour, I made a micro adjustment a couple times and they have been solid ever since.  

I am glad the 7581A’s are doing it for you so far.  You’ll have to keep up posted as that relationship progresses!  

I think Ill throw back in my KT88’s later on this afternoon...   It is a gorgeous day today, high of 83, so in a hour ill be soaking up all of that glory   Cool

But now, enjoying a little Cowboy Junkies on the EL’s, continuing the burn-in on the new ZMA guts.  What a splendid amp!
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Reply #425 - 07/21/18 at 13:07:03
 
Jeff, It is a blissful dilemma...having distinct differences in output tubes. + NOS Platinum, input tubes...my Mullard's are diff' from my Ediswans, 6n23p ....my two Pair of Tungsrams distinctly different too. I have not decided yet, which of the Tung's' I like best in my Audio Research LS-2B MK II.

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Norm, did you keep the GL KT77's? I'm curious to someday try a quad of those too.

......grabing my 2nd mug of MAJOR DICKASON's BLEND....heading up to fire up ....my ZMA/KS6063/Acoustic Zen Adagio heaven....7:36 am CST....till Noon.... Then down to BAD WEATHER BREWING outside, for a Pint or two of HOPCROMANCER.........

This mornings tube compliment:

Gold Lion Cryoset KT88 Quad

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No Pre in-line.....today.

Tonight...9 to 1 am ....same above ~ except ~ :
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Reply #426 - 07/21/18 at 23:16:44
 
Got a jump on things early for tonight's session. Gold Lion KT88's are powerful beautiful sounding tubes. However, I wanted to get my 7581A Tung-Sols back in.

....back in they are, with only a little over 20 hrs on this quad...they are airy up top and some more subtle details, swirl out of them too! Midrange & bass are nothing to sneeze at either............ .

I am batting a 1000!
KT88 GL's cryo'd
6P Reflector's cryo'd
7581A Tung-Sol's cryo'd

.....ALL different and shine in the ZMA.

I would say Cheers...but I'm having a nice mug of coffee right now instead.  Have a great rest of your weekend, out there......... .
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Reply #427 - 07/22/18 at 02:06:23
 
Stone:

I did not try the KT77's as they were not mine but an error by the seller.  I am still wait for delivery of my 7581A Tung-Sol's.  But the TAD KT66's will be hard to beat.
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Reply #428 - 07/22/18 at 13:04:43
 
I doubt I will have KT66's in my ZMA again. The GL KT88 quad is so much better to me. I have them settled in at a 74 ~ 76 bias and love these tubes, when I want that big glorious envelope action coming out of my ZMA..... .

Glad to read you have the 7581A's coming. They really started to shine for me last night, as I described above. The bass coming in fuller and deep too. Biased at 52 is best for these.

I'm going to get a quad of Mullard EL34's from Ron for comparison to the PSvane PH EL34's I'm getting in October. I will still squeeze out getting the T-Sol 7027A's too.

Genalex KT77's will still be on the distant radar. Need to hear them for myself and flip them out of here if they don't fit in my repertoire....... .
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Reply #429 - 07/23/18 at 03:56:39
 
Stone:  The KT88’s sound intruiging. I am curious as to why such a high bias. Steve recommends no more than 60ma in the ZMA manual. Could you run them at 50ma? 60ma?

Anyone else with experience running KT88’s?  Want bias are you running?
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Reply #430 - 07/23/18 at 04:31:08
 
KT88s won't bias lower although I bought a quad that do.  For all I know though, mine aren't true KT88s.  They were unlabeled and only claimed by the seller to be KT88s.
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Reply #431 - 07/23/18 at 21:39:37
 
http://www.decware.com/cgi-bin/yabb22/YaBB.pl?num=1524266800

Check this out Norm....the Thread dives right in on the subject J of A then Steve responding in reply #11.

I have no worries running GL KT88's! (6 or 7 hours max at a time).
Yeah, the bias of 74 to 76 mA is no worry either.  

I would not and will not be, without this KT88 QUAD! It is a whole other side of the ZMA. Then, back to 6P's & 7581A's + EL34's......doing their ZMA magic.
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Reply #432 - 07/24/18 at 02:35:07
 
Stone: Thanks for the link. That certainly helps answer my questions. Unfortunately, I have left my ZMA on all night occasionally so the 4-6 hour “limit” is something to keep in mind. I would have to swap out tubes when we have a house sitter as once I came home to find the amp on for who knows how many days. I will give the GL KT88’s a try soon based on the recommendations from yourself and many others on these forums.

I just put in the TS 7851’s tonight and, wow, what a difference in clarity! I was not expecting such a difference, in fact I was skeptical because I liked the TAD KT66’s so much. The mids, guitars, voices and high end are crisp and clear. The bass is not as punchy as the KT66’s but is more than adequate and deeper. I now hear fingers on the guitar strings where I had not before. These are now my favorite power tubes. It is nice to have a system where you can hear the differences. Ani DiFranco just jumped into my listening room.

Thanks for the recommendations!

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Reply #433 - 07/24/18 at 21:37:21
 
Yes! I did not want to over sell them. I am enjoying them very much too.

6P's, KT88's and now these 7581A's.

Hope my luck continue's with the 7027A's. Might be close to the 7581A's (or not)...but need to find out..... .
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Reply #434 - 07/26/18 at 13:26:06
 
I read on the Tube Depot site https://www.tubedepot.com/products/jj-7027a-power-vacuum-tube that the 7027a’’s are not 6L6 pin compatible. Am I missing something?

My KT88’s arrive tomorrow.
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Reply #435 - 07/27/18 at 02:21:50
 
The balsey 7027 Steve described it as.....somewhere in this thread or an other, is compatible. He wired this 8 pin tube to work. It is also listed ....tubes the ZMA can run ....in the ZMA site listing.

Now Steve was speaking of an NOS quad. However, I have high hopes for the TSOL 7027A's. TAD makes them too....but I'm going for the TSOL's.

JofA's running a NOS quad too.

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Reply #436 - 07/27/18 at 02:41:56
 
Ah, I missed that on the ZMA page.  Thanks for clarifying.  Let me know how you like the TS  7027A.  The look affordable.
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Reply #437 - 07/28/18 at 18:20:52
 
Will do on the 7027A's Norm. I'm not getting those in here for another 2 or 3 weeks....but they will get in here!

Enjoying the clarity of tone and treble extension of the 7581A's right now....love these tubes! .....they might be my new favorites too..... .

What's the scoop on your KT88's? Which did you get? I might prefer the smaller envelope 7581A's & 6P's over the 88's. But, like I said previously, I would not be without what the KT88 Gold Lions bring to the ZMA, when I want it!
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Reply #438 - 07/28/18 at 19:59:58
 
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Enjoying the clarity of tone and treble extension of the 7581A's right now....love these tubes! .....they might be my new favorites too..... .


Stone, you've got me curious about these tubes now.  Do you have the Tung-Sols?  I'm seeing matched quads for under $90.  Ron isn't listing cryo'd quads.  Do you think they have enough advantages over the 6Ps (which I love) to justify?
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Reply #439 - 07/28/18 at 20:38:47
 
I am loving these tubes Archie! Yes, they are different than the 6P's. Does not make them better than the 6P/5881**. Let's just say I'm not taking these 7581A's out for awhile...as described. Awesome fair cost too.

**6P's, are a 5881 clone....very good...as we know...and will still make my rotation.

Strange....Ron's site, does not list as a quad....he usually does?

When I purchased mine...
the site and my receipt reads:
1 x Tung Sol 7581A Matched + Cryo Treated Quad  - 4
89.99 + 8.99 shipping.

This quad is like....(if we could see sound) I was a decent drawer with lead on a canvas. Then all the sudden I jumped to an exceptional canvas drawer....shading every detail in beauty and light unetched!
Ohhh, and the mid-bass & bass.......wow deep tone beauty....took 30+ hrs...but worth the wait!
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Reply #440 - 07/29/18 at 00:51:25
 
I think I'll get a quad from eBay.  There are two sellers at about $90.  One says his are burned in for 24hrs.  That might be nice.
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Reply #441 - 07/29/18 at 02:15:20
 
I bought both the Gold Lion KT88’s and the Tung Sol 7581’s from the guy guy on eBay who sells matched quads with 24-hour burn-in. I really love both, but I came back to the 7581’s and I going to stick there for a while. I cannot put my finger on it, but I think then 7581’s have more clarity in the midrange with a strong bass and incredible clarity in the highs. The KT88’s are also amazing, but I think the 7851’s are my favorite. Plus, a part of me like to bias within the ZMA recommended range which the 7851’s do and the KT88’s don’t. I just realized that I am considering buying a backup quad of the 7581’s but not the KT88’s. Interesting.
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Reply #442 - 07/29/18 at 02:22:46
 
I could not have said it better myself Norm in all you just said. The 7581A's ....hearing and enjoying the same. The KT88's....I agree....I put them in occasionally and only for 6 hour tops session. Don't want my Jup caps to melt!
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Reply #443 - 07/29/18 at 13:15:25
 
Archie, cool, go for them. You have a couple opinions in Norm and I. I hope you like them.

I got the 6P's a few days after Christmas.
Then, my KT88's in May.
7581A Quad, three weeks ago.

Next month:
7027A Quad.
September:
EL34 Quad.

My sites on a couple pair of 6922 variants in Oct/November.
Then, bed down for the loooong winter's nap with the glow and warmth of my ZMA.  :)





.............I shut down the SS rig....and came up to the ZMA. This quad of TSol 7581A's....are something special. I will have all I can do to shut the ZMA down at Noon....and head outside on this beautiful summer day!

I have them biased/balanced @ 50mA...dead nuts....so in the pocket!

Norm, I think you're right! I need to shelve another quad of these too. Yeah, I'm to nice some saaaaay.......blabbing about these...cause it crosses on the www ....but, Karma is real man.....share!
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Reply #444 - 07/29/18 at 17:41:01
 
Norm,

I feel the same way about the 6Ps.  I'm looking forward to the 7581As since it sounds like they have a similar signature.

I have a quad of Tung-Sol EL34s that I like but I prefer the 6Ps for some reason.  

What I really still can't get over though is what the ZROCK2 does to make everything SO MUCH BETTER!   Cheesy    For Star Trek fans, it's like the Venus Drug.
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Reply #445 - 08/03/18 at 22:11:48
 
No little black boxes or preamp needed here Archie. I have owned the black box(s) yes, I have owned two of the boxes, Monolith 947's and a CSP3/Jup'd..............due to my cabling and quality of driver's and tweeter's & x-over modification..............not necessary for full dense music from my Listening Room.


Full credit too...to the ZMA and Steve's output stage from my ZDSD.... .


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Reply #446 - 08/03/18 at 22:42:14
 
Stone, I know you didn't care for the ZR2 in your system.  You're quite the purist!

I'm running the 7581As and so far they are a winner.  To me they are very similar to the 6Ps.  So much so that I don't know if I'll get another quad or stick with the 6Ps.  Interestingly, I have dialed my ZR2 back a touch.  I won't know anything for sure until I go back to the 6Ps and find out if anything is missing.
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Reply #447 - 08/03/18 at 22:46:40
 
Good points Archie. The 6P's are special....and I need to compare the two, too...before I shelve the additional quad of 7581A's.
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Reply #448 - 08/04/18 at 03:13:15
 
Have my Cryo'd Ediswan's in for inputs. Wow, squeezing some beautiful dynamic's out of these 7581A's! I have biased down to 45mA/ZMA is loving it!
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Reply #449 - 08/04/18 at 03:29:46
 
For now I am settling on the following:
Sonica DAC (Ric Schultz upgrade) via XLR or ZP3/ZSTAGE into my
ZTPre with Russian 6N5P's into my
ZMA via XLR with Telefunken E88CC's in the Inputs and Inverter and the 7581's.  The entire spectrum of sound in incredible with transparent highs and strong fast bass.

I may go back to the Ediswan's on the ZMA inputs and try the 6P3S's, but I am so pleased with the current sound,I am going to stick to what I have and focus on cables. I am finding that some very inexpensive XLR cables are blowing away some very expensive ones. I have settled on the STYX speaker cables as being the fastest highs, most transparent mids and strongest bass, but I have a vendor who is trying to convince me his are better.

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