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Re: Anyone Tube Roll with the ZMA yet?
Reply #200 - 12/08/17 at 18:57:49
 
Hey you are not supposed to reveal the secret cheap source of those output tubes! Smiley

I use these in my Torii to good effect, especially with the ZROCK2 to help tailor the sound. . . . Interesting tubes.
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Reply #201 - 12/08/17 at 18:59:54
 
Don't worry Lon, Ill let you know when I purchase my set and then you can post the Blue Light for us all to look into.  Then.. Poof!  "What tubes are you referring to Lon?"
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Reply #202 - 12/08/17 at 19:03:13
 
LOL! You'll enjoy them Jeff. Wink
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Reply #203 - 12/08/17 at 20:47:36
 
Damn, I forgot about those coin based buggers. Thanks for the reminder.

Anyway, I grabbed a pair from my matched quad Cryoset 6H23n-EB's and put in my ZMA inputs ....running direct from ZDSD. I forgot how good they are! Glad I bought my uber expensive stuff when I did two years ago ~ yes. But, the EB's are the bargain.

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Reply #204 - 12/08/17 at 23:50:56
 
I bought 2 or 3 quads from and ebay seller (Svetlana or something) with very good luck.  They may have been slightly more than the cryo'd - which came later.

But on second thought, you probably wouldn't like them.   Roll Eyes
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Reply #205 - 12/09/17 at 15:57:19
 
Thanks Archie for bringing those back up from JofA's inquiry about 34's. I have a long road till my ZROCK2 arrives.....so checking out these coin based for sweetness will keep me busy rolling inputs with them.

My next quad of KT66's, are coming from Cryo too. Great price including Cryo.
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Reply #206 - 12/09/17 at 18:00:11
 
I thought I might mention that although I have several quads of these tubes, I don't think I've worn any out yet since they all bias very closely when swapping.  Low price and long life.
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Reply #207 - 12/21/17 at 22:28:23
 
Archie, I'm going for it. I'm ordering the 6P Quad on Tuesday along with Preferred Series KT88's from thetubestore. I will then flip a coin to which is going in first!

This ought to keep me busy for the month of January. Sweet 6P's and mighty KT88's.....with KT66's in between.

I liked the Reviews from people with decent stereo Amps....about the PS KT88's. Working my magic with my input tubes too.
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Reply #208 - 12/22/17 at 01:12:55
 
Stone, I hope you like them.  I'd like to try the KT88s but the prices might be out of my league.   Undecided

Edit:  Although, I just checked Cryoset and the Gold Lions are $230/quad.  Not out of reach but still a bit of a risk.  The Shuguang quads on ebay are really cheap.  I wonder if any hidden diamonds are out there?
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Reply #209 - 12/22/17 at 19:05:09
 
The Preferred Series KT88's are a risk. But, I can flip them to an guitar amp guy or stereo player. Yeah, their is a hit$ to be taken. Furthermore, I'm not completely sold on the ZROCK2.....BUT, you need to have skin in the  game and you need to hear in your System to your tastes, cabling and CD collection.

If the 6P's, PS KT88 or Rock' are not for me...they obviously will be to someone else. Hell, I sold 9.5k of Gear in 2015/16.....I don't miss any of it.  I have exactly what I need in my behemoth System/Solid State~Polk SRS SDA 1.2's & of course my Listening Room System. I will hear if the two Quads and the Rock get to join the Club.
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Reply #210 - 12/22/17 at 19:24:20
 
......"don't miss any of it." Well, my Decware yes: CSP3 & SE84CS, of the four other pieces I had. However, they were sitting and the mighty ZMA RULES the Listening Room now. But, I should have kept those two pieces anyway.
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Reply #211 - 12/22/17 at 21:59:47
 
Stone, I'm really looking forward to your impressions of both of these tubes.

Hey Jeff, anything you can share about the 6Ps in your system?
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Reply #212 - 12/22/17 at 23:34:40
 
So my stock Tungsol KT66's have gotten a bit noisy these days.  Love the sound of these power tubes. I'm using these with triple mica 6N23P-EV's. Also very happy with my CSP3+ preamp with it's  tube compliment.  

Plan on ordering a new quad of Tungsol KT66's from Cryoset. Have these cryo'd tubes proven reliable and quiet for those who have ordered a set?  Thanks.

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Reply #213 - 12/23/17 at 00:52:12
 
I've had good luck with Cryoset's tubes.  I've bought mostly output tubes and all have been quiet and I've not worn any out yet.
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Reply #214 - 12/23/17 at 01:13:45
 
HockessinKid wrote on 12/22/17 at 23:34:40:
So my stock Tungsol KT66's have gotten a bit noisy these days.  Love the sound of these power tubes. I'm using these with triple mica 6N23P-EV's. Also very happy with my CSP3+ preamp with it's  tube compliment.  

Plan on ordering a new quad of Tungsol KT66's from Cryoset. Have these cryo'd tubes proven reliable and quiet for those who have ordered a set?  Thanks.

HK

I've been very happy with the quality and longevity of the KT66 tubes I've gotten from cryoset. I bought from there at first to replace the Tung-Sol that were supplied with the amp, those have an "edge" to the sound I didn't like. I have bought Genalex and TAD from cryoset and they've been long lasting and great sounding.
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Reply #215 - 12/23/17 at 03:28:35
 
One of my original KT66's just crapped out tonight and the bias went to 5.  Love those bias meters! I have a matched quad of 6P3S-E's from Cryostat I just received this week (luck!) and I will put them in tomorrow.  But I am wondering if you had to choose a KT66, which brand would you suggest I go for first, Genalex or TA or something else?
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Reply #216 - 12/23/17 at 03:39:22
 
I personally like the TAD just a hair more than the Genalex, though it's been some time since I tried those and so much has changed in my system. I might try Genelax again myself next time I order KT66. . . . May be soon. Right now my favorite tube in the Torii Mk III is the JJ 6CA7 but they can be unreliable . . . .
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Reply #217 - 12/23/17 at 15:32:44
 
You bet Archie, hope Jeff chimes in soon too.

I have spent the last two years exploring NOS input an inverter tubes...manipulating the best out of my Tung-Sol KT66's. Now, its time to manipulate some other kinds of output Quads with my 6922 tube variants.

I love this hobby! Archie did you order the ZROCK2? In the ZROCK2 Capacitor Choice thread....it reads like you did...in the last sentence of your talk with Steve via phone. Appreciated you posting that....I'm skeptical....as I should be....hope I'm surprised and pleased with mine (in Testing phase right now).
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Reply #218 - 12/23/17 at 15:51:45
 
One of my original Tung-Sol KT-66's died yesterday After 18 months and I replaced the quad with a quad of Reflector 6P3S-E (thanks Lon!). Absolutely awesome.  The highs are cleaner and crispier but not harsh, the piano and vocals are stunning and the bass is full. It will be interesting to see how they settle in. I have Ediswan CV2492's in the inputs and Telefunken E88CC's in the inverters.  I'm in heaven. Now I have to listen to all my favorites all over again!

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Reply #219 - 12/23/17 at 16:03:26
 
Awesome Norm! I read your post....and how they came just when one of your KT66 died. Glad to read you got them in and like....I'm ordering Tuesday morning before he increases the price with the sales movement!  ;D  

I had one of my KT66 go kitty-wampis (JUST 10 OR 14 DAYS AGO)....but, I kept my original Quad/pulled with lots of life left, to swap one in (or two) if needed....yes, got to love the meters to bias and BALANCE!

PS-I'm running exactly what your running for inputs and inverter's! Why am I waiting to order Tuesday....I'm getting on the books today at Cryo!

PURCHASED.

OKAY, time to clean the house and get ready for some Holiday cheer!
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Reply #220 - 12/23/17 at 16:51:20
 
Glad to hear those tubes are sounding great Norm! It's so fortunate we can use so many different tube types in these amps! So much variety of textures and flavors!
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Reply #221 - 12/23/17 at 16:59:46
 
Stone: I hope you realize I got the ideas for the inputs and inverters from you.

Lon knows I got the ideas for the 6P3S-E and others from him.  

I'm a great copy-cat and it is working well.

This is an awesome forum!  Thanks guys!
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Reply #222 - 12/23/17 at 18:51:32
 
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...quad of Reflector 6P3S-E... Absolutely awesome.  The highs are cleaner and crispier but not harsh, the piano and vocals are stunning and the bass is full. ...


That's great to hear!  I like what they sound like on my system but it's always nice to have a reality check.   Smiley



Stone,

Yes, I ordered the ZROCK2 with the silver RCAs and the Type II caps.  I just now got a couple of Pangea 14 gauge power cords, one for the ZROCK2 and one for my TT.  What a deal these are.  I didn't think it necessary to break the bank for my TT and ZROCK2 cords and these are quite the bargain while beautifully built.
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Reply #223 - 12/23/17 at 21:41:49
 
Norm, yes, this is a great Forum. The Ediswans + Telefunkens are a special combination.

Archie, great, + your all set on your power cords. I too have mine all set. I use XLO Pro's. I have one running to my ZMA and another in wait for my ZROCK2. The one in wait I used with my CSP3. I have an Shunyata to my ZDSD, with great affect.

Archie & Norm, what do you have your 6PS3-E's biased at?
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Reply #224 - 12/23/17 at 22:34:37
 
I started with 50. I'm not sure how much I will deviate from that.  I'd love to hear what others are doing.
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Reply #225 - 12/23/17 at 22:58:40
 
I'm at 52.  They wont bias much higher than that.  All the quads I've used, both cryo'd and not, have stayed rock solid on the meters.  Russian military!   Cool
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Reply #226 - 12/26/17 at 01:04:50
 
Hey Stone, I almost forgot to tell you the best part of the 6P3S-Es, They are blue!   Cheesy
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Reply #227 - 12/26/17 at 20:07:21
 
Archie, Blue ~ cool! I did not know that.

Get this? I ordered them Saturday and they actually shipped that day and are out for delivery today/USPS??

Absolutely baffled that this could be?! So, if the information I have is correct and they come today....I will have them in tomorrow morning!
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Reply #228 - 12/26/17 at 20:14:11
 
Hey Guys!

So, Ive been silent on the topic of these tubes as they required some attention to detail when evaluating them.  I didn't want to pop off prematurely until I was sure what I was hearing.  I am off to a post-Christmas gathering with family I wasn't able see yesterday but will come back later this evening with some comments.  

For clarity, I am referring to the Reflektor 6PS3-E tubes from Cryoset.  I will say that of the few pairs of tubes I have rolled through the ZMA, these were the most stable tubes, bias-wise, that I have experienced so far.  I set them at 50ma after a short 30 min warm up and they sat incredibly steady right out of the gate.  After a about 3 days, they settled in nice and tight and simply don't move. Impressive.

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Reply #229 - 12/26/17 at 21:21:43
 
Hmm. My 6P3S-E'as are not blue.
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Reply #230 - 12/27/17 at 00:05:58
 
Mine aren't blue either. But maybe some are.
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Reply #231 - 12/27/17 at 00:17:06
 
I rarely use them, but mine have clear glass, and light up a little blue.
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Reply #232 - 12/27/17 at 00:57:04
 
I must have the blue light specials!  All of mine have a strong blue glow on the inner sides of the glass.  I need the room lights off to see it though.
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Reply #233 - 12/27/17 at 01:10:30
 
I did get mine today. To order on Saturday and receive these 72 hours later from the Bay Area to MN. Wow.

Nice looking tube....will see how they glow....and sound tomorrow.

Question: I see they have 6 pins instead of the KT66, 7 pins?
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Reply #234 - 12/27/17 at 01:22:03
 
Cool!

Yup, 6 pins.  Lon may know, but these might take advantage of the Hazen Grid Mod.  I think this was discussed once but I don't remember the conclusion.
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Reply #235 - 12/27/17 at 01:45:42
 
Thanks Arch, yeah, I just looked at a pair of EL34's I have....they have 8 pins and 66's have 7 and these guys are 6. I think you're right, I do remember something back a year ago when we talked about these.... They can do the Hazen Grid/Christmas comes early. Lon, should be able to confirm I bet.
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Reply #236 - 12/27/17 at 02:47:49
 
I thought they might take advantage of the Hazen Grid mod, they sound as if they do in some ways. They don't.

They're interesting tubes. Ultimately if I can keep finding JJ 6CA7s that are reliable (my latest quad have been) those are my favorites. . . .but I do like these.
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Reply #237 - 12/27/17 at 14:23:12
 
Thanks Lon.....looks like EL34's, only-take advantage of the Hazen Grid Mod, correct?

Well, I have them in now for about 1.5 hrs, playing tunes, after a 20 min warm up. Yes, rock solid at 50 mA and with a blue hue.

Sound so far~initial impression? ....beguiling sweet sound!  Stone-like. Now, lets get them to 25 hours per week for 4 or 5 weeks ...over a 100+ hours ......I think my KT66's are going to be sitting out for awhile.
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Reply #238 - 12/27/17 at 14:32:13
 
Well, there are some 6CA7 that will use the Mod, according to Steve. IIRC the JJ do, and they sure sound as if they do, they sound different than the other tubes I use in that regard. It's too bad their reliability is so so . . still I use them the most if I can, most micro detail, best native tonal balance, great dynamics. I haven't used EL34s for some time.
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Reply #239 - 12/27/17 at 14:42:37
 
Thanks Lon for the clarification. The reliability does make me nervous.

Moving into the 2nd to 3rd hour on these...the bass is coming in full and I do have my OB Bass, off....to get a handle on these.

Running my Mullard's with Tele's.....liking very much. I will put my Ediswan's in down the road some hours.

Thanks guys, for getting the conversation back out here about these!
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Reply #240 - 12/27/17 at 14:47:40
 
The JJ 6CA7s have been unreliable. These however have been completely reliable.
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Reply #241 - 12/27/17 at 15:28:19
 
You bet Lon....they are some solid tubes.

These 6n3cE/6PS3-E's.....nice tonal balance. A little less top air extension.....but, that could change ....I've only had them in 3.5-4 hours. Loving the mids' to mid bass and the Bass tonally in the balance/as said!

But then NOTE....my tweeter's and cabling are capable of top air extension/detail, with the KT66's without edge..... . I can see where "hot" /bright speaker's and wire.....do love these 6P...tubes!

....and don't get me wrong....they are still good....I just hope they open up a little more/on top. But, if right now is there standard fare.....I'm still pleased.

Now, to put 50, 75 and 100 hours on them....and comment.
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Reply #242 - 12/27/17 at 16:34:29
 
Stone,

I'm glad you're liking them so far.  I don't have a problem with the high end but it could be that my hearing is shot up there or my system is tuned hotter than some.  I don't use any resistor on my HR1s to tame the high end, for instance.
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Reply #243 - 12/27/17 at 17:26:54
 
I bet you still hear pretty good up there. Perfect example for these damn good tubes is how you're running your tweeter's.
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Reply #244 - 12/27/17 at 17:54:51
 
I really like these tubes...  a lot!  Of all of the tubes I have run through my ZMA, these have the most incredible mid-range purity I have yet to experience.  It is lush, and captivating.  

I am fine with the bass, both volume and quality, but it could be that my Hegeman Model 1's are to credit for this.  The cabinet design reduces resonance through the use of quarter wave tubes and the mid-bass all the way down to low bass is incredible.  When 2-channel listening, I have not engaged my bass drivers since I put these speakers in play.  If they are fed a half-way decent bass signal, I am usually pretty pleased with the bass sound out of these speakers.  Regardless of why, the bass is sufficient and of quality.    

I am also not running direct to my ZMA.  Everything is run through my Ultra pre-amp.  I am not sure if this is in fact the case, but I am finding that these 6P3S-E's are very complimentary to my '75 Reflektor "Holy Grail" input tubes (In both my Ultra and ZMA).  There seems to be a special synergy between these input tubes and the 6P3S-E output tubes.  

I find the treble clarity and detail to be quite nice.  I feel my Full Music KT88's have an edge in that department, but the difference is not profound.  The balance of high's, mid's, an low's is what I feel these tubes thrive at. I have thrown a few genres at them and they have not balked.  I have listened hours on hours with them, and they have not fatigued.  They seem to be hitting on all 8 cylinders and not leaving me feeling deprived in any department.  I am not yet ready to crown them the King of all output tubes as I still love my KT88's, but they sound awesome - especially for the price.

But as mentioned earlier, the mid's are simply dreamy! That is the difference maker with these tubes in my opinion.  If you are running a ZMA and still have not quite reached the mid-range heaven that you lust over, you must give these tubes a try.  And at $60 for a matched quad, it makes no sense not to try them out.  Like with everything else, allied system components matter, but I am really pleased with what I am hearing with these tubes in my ZMA.
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Reply #245 - 12/28/17 at 01:39:36
 
Jeff, Thanks for not making me feel like a fool for liking them!   Wink

I have to say, female vocals are special on my system.  I think that must be due to the mids that you are referring to.  I'm really looking forward to hearing what the ZROCK2 does.
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Reply #246 - 12/28/17 at 16:26:07
 
The ZROCK2 has me very intrigued.

I have plenty/specific Recordings in mind for this, I bet, wonderful piece from Steve.

However, if it is not for me?  Someone, receives a nice piece potentially, for their System, without any wait come late Spring/early Summer.

I'm betting on the side....I won't be parting with it.
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Reply #247 - 12/28/17 at 16:35:26
 
PS-great review Jeff.

I've had the opportunity to listen 4 hours and counting this morning (after 7 yesterday), ......delicious tubes! I look forward to comparison...100 hours down the road.  No matter what, these are a steal.

.....I am still "mind blown" about ordering these on the 23rd/Saturday 11:30CST....cheapest way chosen, ....they/USPS actually moved them over Christmas Eve and Day....to arrive the 26th??!!

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Reply #248 - 12/28/17 at 16:49:21
 
Thanks Stone.  Yeah, this is a great "bang for the buck" tube and if the synergy is there in the system, they sound really nice.  I have them biased right at 50ma.  They are really stable.  I keep checking my meters since technically, these tubes are still probably burning in, but the needles just stay put.  I guess I am not too surprised as that Reflektor plant has put out some pretty solid tubes historically.  

I am inching closer on the build list for my ZROCK2.  I am eager to witness its effect in my system.  I was able to hear it at Decfect this year, which prompted my purchase, but still need to hear it.  Regardless of what the tag says, you won't know if the shoes fit until you try them on.
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Reply #249 - 12/28/17 at 17:46:05
 
I like these 6P3S-E's so much for the rich mid-ranges not to mention the clear highs and adequate bass, that I ordered a backup quad before you guys drive top the prices.
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