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Reply #30 - 03/25/14 at 18:56:27
 
I got my Kimber PK-10 Palladian for cheap too (it runs in to my Emotiva XPA-2 beast...makes it a much-much better Solid State AMP)!!  Decware has so ruined me for great Timbre/Texture, imaging with a large deep and high sound stage......Emotiva is all that is needed for the Living Room Rig/Solid State....spending more on Solid State would not matter!

Only because I bought it from Dave Weinhart of Weinhart Design LA, did I trust it. Once you received your PS AC12...then you new it was okay...worth the minimal risk. Nice find'.  
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Reply #31 - 03/25/14 at 19:00:53
 
http://app.audiogon.com/listings?seller_id=284739&show_media=true

...Dave has an AC5 & 12 on there right now....call him and negotiate...he is a cool dude.  
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Reply #32 - 03/26/14 at 20:45:03
 

Yeah, that's twice what Palomino paid for his.


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I still can't figure out why he sold it so cheap.  Its in good shape too.

Maybe its hot Wink



Yeah, I even E-mailed him to see if he had another. He simply said not at this time.
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Reply #33 - 03/27/14 at 13:39:08
 
Holy Snikies' guys!

One half of 695. for a AC12? Whoa....I think we can assume "hot". Palomino, I work for the NSA, you're not running a "Ring" or anything are you?!

HEhe, all kidding aside, I could probably get David down to 550. on the AC12 from the 695. ......and that is a bargain.  Peace
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Reply #34 - 03/27/14 at 15:22:06
 
Now you probably understand why I immediately hit Buy Now and then thought "what did I just do?"

I did some power cable testing last with my son who is a musician of sorts.  He's young and has good ears.  Hands down, the AC12 won the battle for the "wall to PPP" cord.  And my DIY cord won the battle for the "PPP to Amp."

I am thinking I will send the SR back and try something else.  I also have another eBay special AC5 coming today (I think).  I'll try it in both positions to see if I like it and what lift I get with the AC12.
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Reply #35 - 03/27/14 at 16:01:12
 

Well, keep an eye out for an AC12 or even an AC10 for me. I prefer 1.5m, but I'll take anything from 1m to 2m if it's a good deal.

I'm trying to keep my eyes open, but I'm super busy at work this time year and can't really play around.

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Reply #36 - 03/27/14 at 20:34:54
 
Well, I got the AC5 in.  Its a much more "well broken in" cord than the AC12.  Too long for the PPP to the amp, but I bought it to go to the wall and then the 12 popped up.

Anyway, huge air with the 12/5 combo.  Maybe a little less in the highs.  Richer bass.  I'll give it some time.
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Reply #37 - 04/04/14 at 18:14:16
 
I have been using the AC10/AC3 combo for over a year now.  Previously, I had an AC3 running from the wall to the P5 and the upgrade to the AC10 was significant (better bass control, more air, blacker background, etc).  I have always been curious about the AC12, but I got such a good deal on the AC10 I decided to move on concluding (maybe erroneously) that "I got most of the way there".  Maybe I need to revisit.

I doubt you guys are using 25 cent power outlets, but switching from a typical receptacle to the PSA PowerPort was a significant upgrade for me (better clarity, neutrality across entire frequency range, tighter bass).  The PowerPort holds onto the AC10 so tightly it's bordering on ridiculous (in addition to the sound, I thought the screw based back wire mechanism was a nice touch).

I was initially very skeptical that any of these things would make a difference, but (un)fortunately they do...
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Reply #38 - 04/04/14 at 18:56:53
 
Yes, outlets make a difference. When you get to the type of transparency that regenerators and Decware components bring. . .damn seems everything makes a difference!
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Reply #39 - 04/04/14 at 20:50:58
 
If it were a perfect world, I would have all power cords, etc. cold welded to the fuse panel! Every connection is a chance for less performance.
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Reply #40 - 04/23/14 at 13:21:12
 

So...I wasn't sure which of our threads to put this under.

Do you think it's overboard to wire my dedicated 20amp outlet with 8AWG Zen Styx type wire, all the way back to the panel? Grin  



I've been looking for some 8AWG for about 7 months now and finally stumbled into a deal worth buying...and I supposedly have about 200' here. It's way more than I need to wire Hot, Neutral, and Ground, and make a few power cords...I'll probably still have a bunch left over!
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Reply #41 - 04/23/14 at 13:34:01
 
In my uninformed opinion, it's worth a shot if you want to take the time and dedicate the wire to this purpose if not another purpose. I like this sort of experimentation, surprises can happen. I sort of miss owning a place and able to do things you can't do when renting.

The wire may be really good for this purpose. It's pretty darned good for speaker wire (though I do prefer other wire to be honest for my systems).
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Reply #42 - 04/23/14 at 13:54:50
 
Looks like a good score.  I may buy some if you have extra you want to sell.  I have a set I made for the cottage but I could use a little more length.

Will three lengths of that fit into conduit?  What are you thinking in terms of termination - both at the box and the panel?
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Reply #43 - 04/23/14 at 15:48:55
 

When I had my friend run conduit to the home theater area (3 dedicated 20 amp circuits, one of which is going to the P10), we ran it in 3/4" conduit. He thought that was silly, but did what I asked. I could probably run another 1/2" conduit, but it would take me days to bend and connect what took this guy about an hour; he's really talented - but unfortunately he moved to Denver so I'm on my own.

At the room end, I have one of those PS Audio Solo filtered outlets I found online. They aren't made anymore, but the P10 directions and Ted Smith said they are good. I'm pretty sure it will take 8AWG wire. At the other end, the panel has a screw down wire holder, I'm pretty sure it will take 8awg. If not, then I'll find a single slot 30 amp breaker that will, and just treat everything past that as a 20 amp circuit. I'm pretty sure that would still be in code.

Eventually I still want to add a few ground rods right from the panel. Adding a couple ground rods lowers the resistance to ground, and allows all the noise to drain that way (or so it's been explained to me) Ted Smith at PS Audio did this for his own place, and that pretty much sealed the deal for me as I've been thinking about doing this for a few years now.

Tom, yeah, I'm happy to hook you up with some wire - I've clearly got plenty. And the more I think about it, the more I think I'll only use this for hot and neutral. I'll just double up the ground with standard 10awg copper to lower the resistance...using milspec silverplated copper for a ground seems wasteful.
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Reply #44 - 04/23/14 at 16:59:38
 
LR,
You beat me to the punch about using 10 GA. for the earth ground. I have pulled a LOT of cable in my day through conduit, or not, every size imaginable. In a nutshell, you always need larger conduit than you think. 3/4" is small, but better than 1/2", that's for sure. The number of bends and the length will add up quick. I am just hoping that you have access to almost all of them for pulling. The insulation on the 8 GA. Will also determine how difficult this will be. I say go for it, as it is worth it if it can be done at all.
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