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Reply #60 - 03/14/14 at 00:18:03
 
I believe the AURALiC Vega is one of those pieces of gear that the designers just got it right.  Here are three other glowing reviews:

3 part by John Darko: 1, 2 and 3

6 Moons: http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/auralic5/1.html

Audio Stream: http://www.audiostream.com/content/auralic-vega-digital-audio-processor-0

IMO it's just one Analog input shy (us vinyl guys need that input) of being a preamp that could cover the entire spectrum.

I wish they would come out with just a DAC version, maybe that would drop the price a bit for those who already have an integrated or preamp they want to use with it.
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Reply #61 - 03/14/14 at 00:31:02
 
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SPDIF has a 96k bandwidth limit - I'm really unsure how PS Audio is using this. If it was only *internal*, they could be using it to electrically de-couple sections of the circuit, they could be using high end transceivers and real glass fiber. But *external*, standard SPDIF, is a plastic fiber and limited to 96k.

Many companies are ditching it going forward I've read.


SPDIF TOSlink can only do 96, but SPDIF Coax can do 24/192.  USB has quickly surpassed both of them at 384kHz.  With the gains USB is making in both bandwidth and aftermarket  jitter reduction technologies it has quickly become one of the better ports for audio reproduction.
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Reply #62 - 03/14/14 at 02:14:05
 
I am taking a step back...and tempering my enthusiasm for PCM to DSD.

I have great musical involvement with my recent infusion of the ZMA and continue to have it with my SE84CS with my Front End on both Amps (CKC too). So, why change anything right? So other than the CSP3 coming in....which I am very excited about.....I'm letting this Sleeping Dog (for me) lay still on this subject.      ..........but I'll be watching the Sony's/Auralic's/PS Audio's and others....will see what best distills out over time.  -S
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Reply #63 - 03/14/14 at 03:37:15
 
I hear you Lar. I just finished listening to the Blu-Spec 2 cd version of Charles Mingus "Mingus Ah Um" and I have never heard it like that, just amazing sound that took me deep into an album that I have heard since the early 'eighties. It doesn't at this time have to be better than this!

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Reply #64 - 03/14/14 at 17:52:34
 
Well said Lon...well said.
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Reply #65 - 03/14/14 at 19:17:26
 

I'm in the same boat; I'm going to enjoy what I have.

I wouldn't mind a demo of the new PS Audio device *with my gear* to see what all the fuss it about...but I'm afraid what that might do.

Thanks for the clarification on the Toslink and Coax - I just assume Toslink when we're talking SPDIF as usually it's (correctly or not) usually stated as SPDIF or Coax or Toslink or Coax (which is more clear)

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Reply #66 - 03/14/14 at 19:40:53
 
I would not mind a demo either LR.

I know what is going to happen. Once production settles in down in Boulder.....Music Direct is already carrying it. They say 2-3 weeks on their product page....but we know it is out until late May or June pulled from the pre-stock count down on PS's product purchase page... .

I will have one in from Music Direct....AND if it is revelatory.....ouooch.......it is going to happen on the VISA........... .   Then it will be a Kraft Macaroni & Cheese rest of Summer & Fall for me....but with Music from the Angels!   -S
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Reply #67 - 03/14/14 at 20:54:57
 

Yeah, I can't damage the credit cards with a wedding coming up next year...I'm in a circling pattern. Unless I donate a kidney or something.
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Reply #68 - 03/14/14 at 21:50:59
 
Wedding and Gal...much more important - period.

For me, at this stage, I am compelled to enter this Rabbit Hole. I am so intrigued with Tim Smith & Gus....and it makes sense, to join forces with that whole Boulder Group down there via Paul McGowan and the economies of scale/infrastructure he has in place, to hit up Production with him... .

I have met a few of the Tim Smith's of the world...and their passion for software development is contagious. Of course, for me, it is vicariously, my ex-wife is a software person for Medtronic...where I have met some of the nicest Tim Smith's of the world....Bermuda Shorts and bare feet and all.  -S
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Reply #69 - 03/15/14 at 14:37:16
 

From Paul's latest blog.

Parenting
The first 10 DirectStream DACs are finished and ready for me to listen to in Music Room One.  The first of the 10 sailed through test and is on its way to our Community Forums leader, Gordon, because he is not only one of the best listeners I know but he tells it like it is – even if IT isn’t good.

In Music Room One that first DAC sounded nearly identical to the reference; a reference I have vetted over the months and have every confidence in.  But how will it sound at someone else’s home and system?  It’s always at this point I get nervous.  When the first new product goes out into the world, untethered from its parent and asked to fly on its own, is the scariest moment for the team that designed it, cared for it, nurtured it and taught it what it needs to know to succeed.  Sounds a lot like parenting.  Probably just as scary.

It’s odd.  On the one hand you have complete confidence in something.  On the other, you’re scared you missed something.

This cycle of birth and release from under the wing to fly on its own has been a process that’s been going on since time immemorial.

It probably never gets easy.  Fly little bird!
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Reply #70 - 03/17/14 at 03:06:55
 

Everything I'm reading on the PS Audio DS reminds me of how we've been describing the ZMA - it almost sounds like the DS was built to go with the ZMA.

I honestly wish I had the cash at this point. I'd be in the queue for one.

http://www.psaudio.com/products/audio/media-players/perfectwave-directstream-dac...

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Reply #71 - 03/17/14 at 03:09:31
 
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Well, here we go with first LISTENING impressions.

The DirectStream DAC has been playing and burning in on the Bridge input for a bit over 24 hours. It is cool that I just touch a button and get a drop in gain in case anyone wants to sleep through the night while the music continues to play. I mentioned earlier, there are some thoughtful and welcome changes to the front panel that feel, well, just more 21st century than the old one.

My Set up for Perspective.
Mac Mini running JRMC with cat-6 ethernet connected to the DS/Bridge.
Single ended rca from DS to First Sound tube pre-amp and single ended to Jeff Rowland MC-6 amp running in “high current” mode and connected with Shunyata “Lyra” speaker cables to a pair of healthy, but vintage, Wilson Watt3/Puppy2 speakers.

The general signature of my system is pretty neutral. The Wilsons, in some set ups, can tend to be a bit analytical.
A few years ago I swapped out the Puppy drivers for the ones that are supplied in the newer 7 and 8 series. They are not necessarily “warmer” but just a bit “fuller”.
This and the tube pre-amp into the Rowland SS amp has pretty much provided me with a system that just plays what is there and you either love it or you don’t.

Oh, “and just one more thing”.

My honey came home last evening from a few days trip and a neighbor’s wife popped in to say hi for a few minutes.
Music was playing pretty loud and I was sitting with a note pad throwing some words on it when she asked “what are you doing, now”?

Well, “see that silver box over there”? I am listening to it.
The look on her face was a classic. Somewhere between a stern policewoman and a compassionate psyche ward nurse.
“OKaaaaa” she said, walking away.

It dawned on me that what I had said could sound pretty ridiculous to many people and give the impression that “Audiophileism” does strange things to grown men over time.

My list of things to check like stage, timbre, tone, articulation, energy, presence, emotion, yada yada yada can be summed up in ONE word.

YES!

Perhaps you were awaiting some thesis on the DS that would be “over the top” positive to justify that you have a DS or kit on order and whether you can afford it or not.
I had many PMs begging for a comparison to my PWD , which , by the way is just another little box but happens to be black.
So one box to another? really?

The PWD, as most of us know, rings all the bells in the above buzz words and rings then loud and clear. The subjectivity is in the degree for each descriptive and can vary depending on the equipment used and the ears of the listener.

The PWD is GOLD.
The DirectStream DAC is PLATINUM+.

It does EVERYTHING the PWD does, it just does them all better.

Timbre, for example was remarkable with PWD MKII and nativeX. The separation of attack, tone and decay were well discussed here after the MKII upgrade.
The already VG sound stage is even better now .
What does better mean? Wider, higher, deeper? NO. “MORE REAL”.

So I am going to let the review experts delve more deeply into the “fine details” and I’ll try to sum up the bottom line for this new DAC.

From the first few minutes of listening I felt that something was very different.
I took out my buzz word list so I could start dissecting the “what is different” and of course “was it a better, different?”
I kept getting distracted from my list. Yes, by the MUSIC.
My body was toe-tapping, my shoulders moving, WTF.?

The difference, with this DAC is that it SOUNDS RIGHT!

The timing is spot on. The instruments sound REAL for the first time.
Not Analog real, or Organic real etc, JUST real like it is somehow supposed to be in nature. Like “you are there”? You be the judge of that. I think we have never been closer.

So far I have limited my listening to red book to see if what Ted and Paul were saying held true for me.
Yes, it does seem like some instruments have more presence and they have this without becoming more forward. Tabla and high hats etc are now more part of the performance.
Is this because of “more info” on the CD? I am not sure and quite frankly, I don’t care.
It is just there and if I were to rate this baby compared to PWD then it would be a 10-15% improvement on all the buzz words but a whole new experience in the “realness” of what this “BOX” delivers.

I hope to listen to some hi-rez and DSD files today. I am not so sure that I will be posting whether flac-192 sounds better than DSD64 yada yada,.
It really doesn’t matter.
What you put in to this baby is what you get out. If the red book is well produced it will be really yummy. If not, you will just not play it as often.
"REAL" is what I think I have been striving for all these years.
And, "REAL" it is!
To quote a fellow Canadian starship commander "ENGAGE".

One thing you WILL do is Listen to Music, and YES, tap your toes.
- See more at: http://www.psaudio.com/vanilla/discussion/6605/directstream-dac-first-impression...


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My design goal was to get people's feet to tap. I'd witnessed for years that when I heard jitter people were a little more on edge. When I didn't hear jitter their feet tapped. I only make changes to my system that cause me to tap my feet more. If I tap less (or worse listen less) I know I've gone too far or just screwed up. When I have people over to listen or I take my DAC to other places I don't care what they say, I watch their feet.

Most people won't worry about how it compares to a PWD after they hear it. They enjoy the DS more and see no reason to care about how or why it's different.

P.S. I consulted on the MkII, or more properly we all had a brainstorming session and I suggested a list of possible ways to lower jitter (get people's feet to tap more). They chose from that list a subset that they thought were interesting/possible/practical/whatever and not a little of the MkII difference from the original PWD comes from the same point of view as the DS.
- See more at: http://www.psaudio.com/vanilla/discussion/6605/directstream-dac-first-impression...
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Reply #72 - 03/17/14 at 16:35:48
 
Cool LR, I will continue to follow. I am glad Gordon limited his Listening to PCM only...for his initial impressions.  
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Reply #73 - 03/17/14 at 17:39:49
 

Yeah, but I'm really looking forward to hearing what he says about 24/96, as that's what I've been leaning towards lately.

And I'm also curious/concerned with ripped files. I have my whole CD collection ripped to FLAC, and I'm wondering if rips sounds any different (better/worse) than the original CD. I'm guessing it probably wouldn't matter, but I'm curious.

I can absolutely hear a difference between the original CD and my ripped FLAC, the FLAC files off local hard drive sound *better* than the original CD - I figure it's jitter related - and Oppo agrees. Though the number crunchers and math-musicians say it's impossible for me to hear a difference, that on paper it's all the same or below the humans ability to hear jitter.  Ted Smith seems to agree with me, as does Oppo.
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Reply #74 - 03/17/14 at 17:58:14
 
I am a curmudgeon about hi-rez...for obvious reasons of not wanting to duplicate what I have on CD and the Library of 24/96...DSD et. all, is low... . New music I want though....I watch...will see what continues to happen/develope... .

However, you nailed it about FLAC files reducing jitter. I agree with you and Ted Smith. I have to start preserving my CD collection anyway, a good chunk at a time... . I will eventually have it all on an external hard drive besides the hard drive in front of me right now.

The PS DSD is really all about taking those FLAC files to a higher plane over the PWD (Perfect Wave Dac's) Native for 44.1. Which, quite frankly, I was not impressed because I have a good front end to compare it too. I am glad I returned the PWT & PWD....and will potentially get this DSD gig/rig  8-). -S
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