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Re: Frustrating SET Bashers
Reply #45 - 12/31/13 at 19:54:24
 
Marky, you raise some good points. I go through phases and they are usually marked/fueled by component changes. Each upgrade in that arena means an opportunity to maximize sound quality by experimentation. And then I find a plateau of excellent sound and relax into it.

I've gone top to bottom the last few years with my system due to having some extra dollars and I'm at a point where I don't want to make any further changes, this new plateau has me able to listen to most of my material with wonderful abandon and the really well recorded stuff is just stellar. Soon I'll swap my new HR-1s out for the original pair and see if there's a significant difference there.

I think this plateau will be a long lasting one, especially as my time in front of the system is so challenged, and so deeply enjoyed when in swing..
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Reply #46 - 12/31/13 at 22:05:37
 
Hi Lon, I was just wondering if you have experimented with room correction devices such as diffusors, etc.? (I know you use isolation devices like Herbie's, but what about the big picture as in the actual room?)
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Reply #47 - 12/31/13 at 23:43:54
 
No I haven't Hans. For a long time it was verboten in my household by my other half, and as I had a living-room dining-room setup I just couldn't figure out how to incorporate it and still live in the room, so I have not explored that. Now I rent and have a very small living area and I'm not doing that either.

I know also that some of my cabling and other choices might change with room conditioning. . . it's just not an avenue I am likely to explore. I probably have compensated somewhat via other means. I already spend enough time futzing, don't seem myself futzing into that new realm any time soon (in large part because I don't see myself becoming a home-owner again any time soon).
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Reply #48 - 01/01/14 at 02:31:06
 
That makes sense Lon.  I rent too and don't have the luxury of a dedicated listening area ... and truth be told that's not the way I like to enjoy my music or movies anyways.  I like to listen (or watch) while I'm cooking and or bonding with my son, etc.  My main system is in a great room though (with no fourth wall so to speak as it's open to the kitchen).  But still I know I should be doing a few things that would/could improve the sound.
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Reply #49 - 01/05/14 at 22:54:50
 
       Hi, All that have been following this thread. I recently received some power cables from Audio Advisor that I had read a lot of positive feedback . I picked up a Pangea Audio-AC-9 Power cable for my Jolida 502P and an Pangea Audio-AC-14-SE Power cable for the CSP3 in my system. I wasn't real thrilled with the stock power cords but didn't want to spend a fortune on power cords either. So far I am very happy with the performance of both in the system. After all of the previous discussions about cables and all I figured I'd go ahead and post my impressions on these power cords. The criteria that I was most interested in finding in a cable was its shielding and these are both shielded and both do a very good job in the noise reduction department. There have been no negative issues induced into the sound from these cables at least nothing to mention. Here is what I have noticed as being different than the stock cables. The system seems to have a blacker back ground along with a bit deeper bass thump and a bit more articulation in the highs. These are the impressions so far from adding these cables into the system as of now only about 15 hours of usage on them so not sure if these will have any burn in time required. These are sure a major step up from stock and didn't break the bank to get there so I figure these will be keepers. These cables are rather impressively made and the AC-9 is massive in size. My goal is to make reasonable up grades to the system enough to say good enough and these do the job.

http://www.audioadvisor.com/Pangea-Audio-AC-9-Power-Cable/productinfo/PGAC9/#.Us...

http://www.audioadvisor.com/Pangea-Audio-AC-14-Signature-Power-Cable/productinfo...


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Reply #50 - 01/06/14 at 00:17:32
 
Digger, thanks for sharing your impressions. Pangaea have been getting good reviews, and their designer had a big hand in the PS Audio cables I love, and they share some design and component features. Glad you are enjoying them! My guess is that they'll shift in sound a little and then stabilize at about 250 to 300 hours or so.
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Reply #51 - 01/06/14 at 01:07:08
 
Lon,

Thanks for the info. During the time I've had to listen a few hours at a time they have seemed to change a bit but don't really know where there heading. Slightly different each time I have powered things up at least that has been my perception with them. These look to be very well made and fit my budget for the time being. Really didn't know what to expect with upgraded power cords but definitely worth the investment looking at it as a longer term one. I haven't flipped systems much over the years and my only next possible upgrade would be the MA. I hope to be able to do that in the future. There would be one other option possibly if I decide to run a second tube system and that would be the Torri Mark III or IV depending if I wanted to keep this tube set up for the higher volume capability and use the Torri for more critical listening instead of the MA.

Hope you had a good weekend!


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Reply #52 - 01/06/14 at 01:37:06
 
One good thing about upgrading power cords is. . . you can use them with other amps or components.

My weekend was okay. I actually have more time off during the week when we pay two gals to relieve me on weekday afternoons. I've bee cooped up most the weekend here looking afer my parents. And a big bad storm is headed our way. . . subzero temps due soon. Gulp.
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Reply #53 - 01/06/14 at 22:26:34
 
I just cannot resist jumping in on the "wire" debate every time I see it arise.  I used to be firmly planted on one side of this argument until it finally donned on me - IT DOESN'T MATTER..!!!  

Toward all the debate about subjective judgment .vs. objective measurement… It Doesn’t Matter !!!!   Human hearing is a “perception”, you cannot argue this fact.  And not only is it a “perception” it’s an individual perception at that.  That means that everybody “hears” differently.  We all process sound uniquely based on numerous attributes of sound that have been identified “so far”, including, but certainly not limited to the shape of our pinnae, inner ear and mostly how our brains "process" the signals.   If you “think” you hear something – then you do – end of argument.  Or if you “think” you do not hear something – then you don’t – end of argument.  Just because man has not yet identified all the attributes of sound that affect our hearing “perception”, does not mean they don’t exist.  Not to mention modern science hasn’t invented a machine to measure them.  Hearing is no different than any of our other senses.  Does everyone perceive all colors the same? No.  What about taste?  Some people like vanilla ice cream, some like chocolate – why?  Nobody really knows.  But the point is, why should any individual care about what flavor of ice cream somebody else likes or dislikes – I mean really – answer me this question.  It Doesn’t Matter.  Does this mean that those that like Vanilla are right and those that like chocolate are wrong?  Of course not.

Now having said that, I also believe that with years of critical listening experience & training, one can become quite astute at identifying “differences” in sound that various wire “can” make, some very subtle, and “to that person” not necessarily everybody.  I too have been thru hundreds of painful hours of volume matched to the tenth of a volt as measured at the speaker binding posts with a digital Fluke multi-meter ABX tests.  And like others have experienced here, many times I have been able to identify by a statistically significant margin which wire I was listening to.  And so have many of my fellow audiofool friends.  Not only that, but each of us almost always identifies and quantifies the same differences.  But even though we almost always agree on “what” the differences are that we hear – we also usually have different “preferences”.  So even though we may each describe the particular sonic personality of a given speaker wire the same, not all of us will prefer the same speaker wire.

It has been my experience, that the farther up the super-sonic, space-modulated, so-called boutique wire ladder you go, the more they actually “effect”  the sound – as in they are passive equalizers in some manner.  And if you demo/try enough of them, you are bound to stumble upon one that will have the synergy with your components/speakers/room that you “prefer”.  I am an I/T guy by profession, 30+ years.  And as such, started out as an ole mainframer, tend to think very logically.  And logically, my mind says, it makes no sense to invest more funds in connecting wires than the components themselves cost – think about that one a minute Spock.  To that end, I seek out wire, which is based on sound, known to man at this time, electrical theory.  i.e. the transmission of frequencies in the human hearing range thru conductors.  I want my “wire” to be neutral, accurate and faithful to the signal passing thru it – not to change it.  I prefer to do the “sonic tweaking” to my “preferred” sound via components I choose and/or the tubes installed.  And make no mistake, tubes can and do sound dramatically different.  And their differences can be measured quite easily with common tools man has already invented.

If anyone would like to hear about a cheap and easy experiment you can do yourself regarding “wire” – that just might astound you, as it did me - PM me directly and I’d be happy to share.  It got me off the wire-of-the-month merry-go-round once and for all.  You need to be a smidge of a DIY'er and only if you're interested in wires that possess little to no sonic signature of their own and are pretty inexpensive.  They won't win you any bragging rights at the monthly audio club meeting, but they will win out sonically in most ABX tests against the voodoo science, snake-oil, fairy-dust exotics.
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Reply #54 - 01/07/14 at 02:50:28
 
Come on Maddog. Please tell!
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Reply #55 - 01/07/14 at 03:05:28
 
   Yes, No snake oils and just a little bit of fairy dust! Ha Ha! I'm all in!

He has my PM!


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Reply #56 - 01/07/14 at 03:19:38
 
Good therapy I suppose.  Cable bashing............. .

This reminds me?
I need to order a couple more Isomike recordings to play through my Kimber Select with my: SE84CS, CKC, ZMA coming soon and newly ordered Torii IV.

http://isomike.com/
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Reply #57 - 01/07/14 at 15:17:46
 
Isomike, those are the recordings done with the Mike designed by Kimber, right? I think some of the DSD files I linked to a few weeks back were done with the IsoMike.

Any recommended recordings I should try out? I've had a thing for Violin lately.  :)

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Reply #58 - 01/07/14 at 17:41:11
 
Yes, it is Ray Kimber's gig.

He records at Weber State and a fare amount of proceeds he contributes to the schools music program too.

Any of those recordings that are still available are fair game. I think I am going to grab up one of the Violin recordings myself too.  

You have me thinking Violin now too...I am putting Regina Carter in right now....Motor City Moments...and then Itzhak Perlman with Oscar Peterson Side by Side....both very good recordings I must add.  -S

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Reply #59 - 01/07/14 at 20:54:33
 

No sound samples though....for $40, you think they'd at least have 30 second samples of the tunes...
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