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Lord Soth
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CSP3 as a Pre-amp
12/07/13 at 06:19:13
 
I want to share my experience of the Preamp function of the CSP3.

In audio, system synergy is very important.
The following will probably sound like a "Good Cop, Bad Cop" routine. Wink

1. Yarland FV34A-MK4
This a a nifty little tube amp which was awarded a realization award by Sixmoons.

It is a SE EL34 based tube amp.
It can operate as either an integrated amp or as a power amp.

As an integrated amp, it is sonically very clear.

When I paired my CSP3 with this amp, it took my Yarland amp to another sonic level with increased vocal presence.
The overall sound was more seductive.
There was no sonic veil introduced into the audio chain and my Yarland amp had the same sonic clarity as before.

This sonically seductive pre-amp and amp combo was actually on par with my 100hrs+ Torii Mk4!
(More details below)

2. Torii MK4
When I paired up the CSP3 with the Torii MK4, I could hear a slight sonic veil introduced in my audio chain.

I therefore prefer to run the Torii MK4 directly from the source.

3. Epilogue
With more burn-in (150 hrs), the Torii MK4 is slowly and inexorably surpassing the above-mentioned audio combo.
The vocals now have even more seductive "presence".
The phantom center channel is also more centered.

As usual, YMMV.


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Re: CSP3 as a Pre-amp
Reply #1 - 12/12/13 at 16:12:58
 
how about First Watt M2 or F3  with CSP3  and Omega super 6 Alnico monitors  (93db).  Can anyone comment ?  looking for an amp .  currently using a TBI Millenia. its a bit noisy.  i think there is too much gain in the amp?   not too good at this technical stuff.  i am on a budget.
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Reply #2 - 12/13/13 at 01:17:25
 
pann56,

Most of the First Watt amps should work extremely well with the CSP3 and Omegas.
There is a first generation Taboo for sale here ($400) that should make the Super 6s sing. Smiley
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Reply #3 - 12/13/13 at 14:38:01
 
is there any info on this amp ? i can't seem to find it on the website
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Reply #4 - 12/13/13 at 14:56:20
 
The CSP3 is a preamplifier/headphone amplifier and its page can be accessed form the page "Amplifiers"

http://www.decware.com/newsite/CSP3.html
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Reply #5 - 12/13/13 at 17:20:27
 
yep.  Thats the preamp i have.  i was wondering about the Taboo that Lin said was available fo sale.  I can't find anything on it.  Is that another model ?  i was just looking into amp alternatives for my TBI MIllenia with the CSP2 as i mentioned above,    thx!
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Reply #6 - 12/13/13 at 17:42:17
 
I'm not sure which version of the Taboo Linn has for sale, there have been three different releases. Here is the current page for the current version of the Taboo amp.

http://www.decware.com/newsite/TABOO.htm
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Reply #7 - 12/14/13 at 05:11:17
 
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Reply #8 - 03/08/14 at 22:44:01
 
Any idea what the impedance output is for the csp2+. Am trying to see if it will work with a First Watt F3 that requires a 10k ohm impedance input. Thanks.
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Reply #10 - 03/09/14 at 11:26:49
 
Thank you Lin. I was warned that most tube preamps have a much higher output impedance.
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Reply #11 - 03/10/14 at 08:10:13
 
The CSP2+ won't be happy with the load. It only has a 0.33uf output cap.
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Re: CSP3 as a Pre-amp
Reply #12 - 10/10/14 at 19:50:16
 
I can't say enough good things about the CSP3 with Jupiter Caps running my ZMA.

I have not had my Polk LS90's in my Listening Room for quite some time. I bring them in, an with proper adjustment from rear walls an of course I have bass treatment for my corners behind the Speakers an a nicely treated Room overall. Yet, being the Rear Bass Reflex loaded Speaker the LS90's are; they are a little heavy but wonderful in the Low End.

To take care of the "little heavy" ....I adjusted the front voltage inputs/headphone, against the other voltage inputs.  TOTAL lock in of Focus an Tonal Balance with maintaining transparency/musicality!  

I love my CSP3!  Freakin' genius Steve....genius.


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Decware Zen Mystery Amplifier
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Re: CSP3 as a Pre-amp
Reply #13 - 10/10/14 at 21:42:57
 
Yes, I can imagine, as I love my CSP2+ with Jupiter caps (two of them, actually) and what they bring to my amps. Especially since I now have 7308s in all positions. Great preamps. . . .no doubt, no shit.
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Re: CSP3 as a Pre-amp
Reply #14 - 10/11/14 at 17:39:37
 
No shit is right Lon.

I never needed Steve's Pre with my SE84CS or CKC. I run them direct with any of my three DACs. When I got the ZMA...it is just incredible with the CSP3 (after 150 hours). Just some adjustment an it locked in the Speaker's.
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