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Re: Torii Mark III to Mark IV conversion thread
Reply #15 - 10/30/13 at 07:01:06
 
IV is on the Web Page...........


http://www.decware.com/newsite/TORII.htm

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Re: Torii Mark III to Mark IV conversion thread
Reply #16 - 10/30/13 at 07:36:04
 
Hey Dave,  The one on the left is the A B input switch (as before).   The right switch is the new bass management switch. I believe that it's off in the front position, and on in the the rear position,

I keep mine off. That position sounds better with my ten year old Legacy Audio Signature III speakers.

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Re: Torii Mark III to Mark IV conversion thread
Reply #17 - 10/30/13 at 17:40:34
 
http://www.legacyaudio.com/products/view/signature-se/

Mike, you have been happy with your Legacy Sig III's with the Torii = great.

I am considering the Signature SE for my Mystery Amp or at lesser cost...the new Decware ERRx or Tekton Pendragon.  Your thoughts? -S
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Re: Torii Mark III to Mark IV conversion thread
Reply #18 - 10/30/13 at 18:12:17
 
In regards to my post above. I probably would not prefer the Pendragons....to honest....and only Audiophile recordings sound good on them. I did not like Zu Speakers.

I think I would enjoy Steve's new ERRx.

I am leaning towards a pair of Acoustic Zen Adagio Speakers. Proven winner, great with tubes & easy to move around too.   -S

However, the new Legacy Sig. SE's at 92db & the inclusion of the double AirMotion Tweeter's (I like extended Treble).....with great bass weight in those lower woof's...could be worth the bucks....I have a hand truck dolly I keep in the house to move around my big Polk's!...no worries  ;D.   Even though, at 106 pounds each...they are not as heavy as my 5.5 ft tall & 180 pounds each....Polk SDA SRS 1.2 Speakers.   -S
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Re: Torii Mark III to Mark IV conversion thread
Reply #19 - 10/30/13 at 18:20:34
 
Stone,  The new SE's are supposed to be an improvement over the original ones I have.   Better caps, and they have tightened the driver array. Two 10" woofers instead of the three in mine, and I believe there is one less midrange.  I think the tweeter may be slightly improved also.

They probably lost some of the drivers to trim production costs, but neverless, this new SE should be killer, with the new caps and slightly less complex crossovers.  I'm thinking about getting a pair of the new SE's in a few years, to replace the old ones (not sure it's really needed, though)  I have a local friend who has $12,000 Spendors, he still prefers my older Sig III/s to his Spendor speakers. They have amazing bass, balanced mids and treble.

Downsides?  They need a lot of break-in time to sound their best, and while they are flexible in terms of placement, you need to experiment to find the position, that creates the soundstage you like.

Another upside, is that in terms of appearance and finish, they FAR exceed the MG944's I own.

If you want to go for a lesser cost, I would seriously think about the Pendragons, but I would want to opt for the upgraded caps.  I believe the caps used in the upgrade are Mundorfs.

Anyway, that's a few of my thoughts.

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Re: Torii Mark III to Mark IV conversion thread
Reply #20 - 10/30/13 at 18:32:02
 
Thanks Mike for your great info, after I have relentlessly broke in my new Mystery Amp with my two Front Ends....I am bringing in the Legacy Signature SE and the Acoustic Zen Adagio for comparison...and relentless painful break/burn-in.  

I have a saved email from Legacy...they will ship it direct to me....decide in 30 days....but the freight is on me if I return them.

Furthermore, I will not favor the Adagio because of lesser cost. I want these to compare Tweeter's for Treble extension & Aire.  I like bass...but the midrange and Treble Highs are the boss with Tubes, albeit single Tube per channel with Pentodes run in Triode with no Neg. feedback or push pull with no Neg. feedback.   -S
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Re: Torii Mark III to Mark IV conversion thread
Reply #21 - 10/30/13 at 18:38:17
 
Stone, I have my Legacy Audio Sig. III's, sitting on Sistrum Stands, on top of Herbie's "something or others", on top of 18" x 18" x 2" thick black maple blocks.

Easy to slide around for proper positioning (at least it is on carpeting).

I have been told that due to their overall size (48" tall) and somewhat complex crossovers, they should be hard to drive and not sound very good.

Well, sorry to disappoint some folks, but my 12 watt per channel original "integrated" blue Torii, drove them pretty well.  Obviously not an issue with the Torii II, III, and IV.

The sonics?  Everyone who has heard them in my system, wants them.

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Re: Torii Mark III to Mark IV conversion thread
Reply #22 - 10/30/13 at 18:48:30
 
I know where you are coming form Mike.

To many people here think that Steve's Amps (all of them) can only drive 95db SPL Speakers at 1 watt/1 meter. Not only do I know your 12 watt can drive the Legacy....and of course all of the Torii Series can with aplomb.... . I drive a pair of Vintage Polk SDA 1 Speakers in my Listening Room (in Stereo/NOT USING the SDA function) with my SE84CS.....and have people comment the same, "I did not know Music can Sound that good/involving/goose bump/I don't want to leave the Room"!  

Of course, like Steve's Mono's, the new Mystery Amp can drive just about anything...and I'm glad he finally went after this Market...with his Gift for Amplifier Design.    -S
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Re: Torii Mark III to Mark IV conversion thread
Reply #23 - 10/30/13 at 20:53:32
 
Looking forward to your impression of the Sig SEs Stone.

I had a pair of Focus HDs for a year and was never quite satisfied with the sound of the neo ribbons, but a year ago I visited Legacy and listened to the new Focus SEs with the AMT drivers and was very pleased with the sound.

My hot rodded 2005 Classics (formerly Bill's personal pair) won't reach concert levels with low watt amps, but sound great with a 12w Torii and a 15w McAlister. Cool
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Reply #24 - 10/30/13 at 21:17:04
 
Lin,  Those Classics are great speakers!

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Reply #25 - 10/31/13 at 05:49:17
 
Oh spot on Lin. I do not get concert levels with my SE84CS (or CKC)...either...I'm stating the obvious I guess.

The intimacy these two Amps do achieve with the two pair of Speakers I alternate in my acoustically treated Listening Room in the Nearfield with the Tone/Texture I like....is what Steve's Pentodes run in Triode are all about for me. My Kimber Select 1030 RCA IC & Kimber 3033 Speaker Cable, complete the Holographic Sympatico at 76db SPL to 84db SPL of Musicality...in this Room ....my Man Cave!

Now lets talk Concert Levels! Concert levels when desired, are found in my Living Room System with my Polk SDA SRS 1.2 Speakers.

I look forward to having the Mystery Amp (glorious push/pull-no neg feedback, that sounded as powerful as the Mono's as commented by Steve when he drove the Jan Zen Speakers with the MA) driven Directly from my Anedio D2 DAC with PreAmp (in the Living Room System), driving the 1.2's, Sig SE's, ERRx Radials & Acoustic Zen Adagio's.

I expect to get a little more (even subjectively/Steve has the Amp well dialed in to run the KT66's & KT120's conservatively/where they sound best) out of the KT120's...it will be fun!

I will follow up for sure.

....A pair of Hot Rodded Classics that were Bills, with the 12w Torii or McAlister...... = very nice.   -S
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Re: Torii Mark III to Mark IV conversion thread
Reply #26 - 11/03/13 at 19:07:57
 
OK, I've got 325 hours+ on my VCapped/Jupiter  MK IV conversion, with plenty of cooling off periods.

I'll spin some vinyl in the next few days, and give some detailed impressions.

It does sound much better at 300 hours than 200.  I'm on my second set of cryoed Tung Sol KT66's (a failure in the first set).  It has not taken many hours for the 66's to settle in.

To me, this conversion is well worth the $1000 I spent on it, with shipping, boxes, and a quad of KT66's.  The level of  musical involvement, is much greater than I was getting with the original MK III VCapped version.

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Re: Torii Mark III to Mark IV conversion thread
Reply #27 - 11/10/13 at 04:54:54
 
After owning and playing music through my Mark 3 to 4 upgrade I have to say that it does sound way better. My soundstage is deeper. Seems to be tighter on the bass side too. My Vocals come out clearer. I haven't had any issues with my tubes at all so far.
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Reply #28 - 11/10/13 at 05:05:54
 
grillski,  I agree with everything you just said.  

With 400+ hours on my  MKIV conversion, it's really sounding amazing! Just keeps getting better and better.  I have 200 hours on my second set of Tung Sol KT66's, and they've been just fine, no problems.

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Re: Torii Mark III to Mark IV conversion thread
Reply #29 - 01/14/14 at 23:01:45
 
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