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Re: Any live streaming to Decfest 2013?
Reply #15 - 10/07/13 at 18:46:51
 
Stone,

Steve will no doubt offer this information when you get to purchase time, but he is now running a modified version of the DM945 with a new phase plug to go with the passive sub box.  To me, this sounded like a completely different animal.  Really helps the mid range.

That combo with the mystery amp really was stunning.
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Re: Any live streaming to Decfest 2013?
Reply #16 - 10/07/13 at 20:02:27
 

I saw a bunch of diffusers delivered to Decware this weekend. As a woodworker, I can say the ones I saw unwrapped looked quite nice!

Mine are going to be quite similiar to Steve's, though I might go with 6" depth (since I have the room to do so), and mine are going to be 2' wide and 6' tall, with space below them to let the bass stretch out into the adjoining room, or to put an absorber in the bottom. I really like Steve's diffuser design...it covers the frequencies you really need to in order to get that time delay and mid-high frequency diffusion.
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Re: Any live streaming to Decfest 2013?
Reply #17 - 10/07/13 at 21:18:26
 
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As soon as Steve puts the Mystery Amp on the Website with the passive sub stands for the DM945's...I am ordering the three of them (DM945's/sub stands/Mystery Amp).

Stone - the passive bass extension "stands" for the 945's are in stock and available for sale - words directly from Steve's mouth at the fest - I ask.  I also saw more than one pair sitting around.

Lonely R - All those diffusor's you saw stacked up in the amp build room were mine - and they came home with me! - place your order.
 
I also came home with a pair of 945's.  These little guys struck a special note with me at Zenfest last year, so I called up DeVon a couple months before this years fest and had her hold a pair for me to pickup while I was there.  I even got lucky and DeVon put some break-in hours on them in her office before I got them!  I don't have them out of their boxes yet - didn't get home till about 9 last night.  I may have a chance to get them setup this evening... so many toys and so much music to listen to - so little time...!

Actually, all the new gear and audio projects are to keep me occupied inside once the snow starts blowing...
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Re: Any live streaming to Decfest 2013?
Reply #18 - 10/07/13 at 21:32:58
 
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What DAC was Steve using. I know if was a Teac but which model?

deucekazoo - DAC used by Steve at the fest is this one I believe
--> http://www.teac.com/product/ud-501/

Palomino
the phase plug/no dust cap version of the 945 is an “option” per Steve – they will be offered both ways.  Steve recommends the phase-plug version if you are using the passive bass extender stands.
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Re: Any live streaming to Decfest 2013?
Reply #19 - 10/07/13 at 21:38:20
 
Those new 945s with stands sound awesome.

LR, I agree with tgarden. Though I have no diffusers, I have some other room things going on, and I got amazing imaging with the 944s in my room...deep, wide and saturated...at least on recordings that have good imaging!

I think here, they were quite similar to the HR-1s which are supposed to do this more easily. With both the image is brilliant. Also, have you measured your bass. My room exaggerates bass, but I never thought of a sub with the 944s. I can totally imagine how your sub setup must sound really good though regardless of room.

tgarden,

My 944s are older, and I don't know how the more recent ones are configured, but a few years ago or so, Bob was playing with a coil for one of the mid/bas drivers. I had a weird tear develop in one of my drivers (I think Bob said that was a first!) and had to replace the lot for a correct repair. I put in the coil Bob graciously sent, and the speaker seemed good...more controlled and and for me...too polite, but green so I went on, playing them while I was gone and when I was home for some time.

After some good breakin, I still thought they were missing some immediacy, punch and flow for my tastes...showed up particularly in big drum and low string bass hits...but was heard throughout...they just sounded bigger and realer (though a bit less accurate) without the coil to me. I guess yours are likely without the coil.

Lonely Raven,

Your comment "The bass has a full, yet controlled/punchy quality to it that my MG944 don't have" made me think of this. Not that the 944s might necessarily sound more like the 945s without the coil, but your comment reminded me of what I heard before the coil on well broken in drivers, and similarly after I disconnected the coil...The top driver just drove harder doing stuff I liked. Since you are handy, might be worth an email to Bob to see if yours have the coil, and if so, maybe run a straight wire for exploration purposes. If Bob kept the coil I'm sure there is good reason. I just like mine better without.

Both:

I have not explored the 944 caps much, as they are not listened to much. But in the HR-1s replacing the same value cap (bigger than the 944, a 3.3) with a Mundorf Supreme, the resistor with a Mundorf of slightly smaller value (2.7 as opposed to 3) and compensating by bypassing the resistor and cap with a dirt cheap, .1 K40Y-9 PIO cap, the same tweeter as the 944 sounds awesome...smoother, more refined, more texture and detail without feeling too detailed.

Don't recall the 944 caps, and I am thinking I recall they do not even have a resistor ???. They are mounted on the interior of the binding post thingy if yours are like mine. Maybe the caps are 2.2. If so, kind of an odd configuration, but I might explore a Mundorf Supreme 1.8 parallel with a a .22 K40Y-9. Edit: or maybe a Mundorf Supreme 2.2 with a .047 K40Y-9...that is if they are stock 2.2.

I use the K40Y-9 in my Torii, and it makes it hard to get around to putting in the Jupiters I bought. Though I bet they will be even better, the Russians were night and day from the stock Wimas in terms of organic, smooth detail, micro detail, and flow once burned in a bit...at least in serious listening mode.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/0-22uf-400V-K40Y-9-RUSSIAN-PIO-CAPACITOR-/221284674173?p...

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Re: Any live streaming to Decfest 2013?
Reply #20 - 10/07/13 at 22:16:13
 
Lonely Raven.....Palomino, Steve did modify the DM945 port to run with the passive connection sub....cool.

Lon, yes, the AC-10 is a great Power Cord. I still need to compare it head to head with my Kimber PK-10 Palladian for Solid State into my new Reference MOON W5.3 SE (for Solid State) and run the PS Audio AC-10 to my SE84CS & CKC as well.

Well, while waiting for DM945/Passive Sub & Mystery Amp to make it onto the Website.....I went and pre-ordered the Mystery AMP! I'm assuming you guys listened to it at the Fest with a Stepped Attenuator and the Black KEMET Power Supply Caps?! Also, short run RCA connection....XLR only needed for long runs of cable....if you're not using a Reference Single Ended RCA cable (ie - Kimber Select 1030 RCA). -S
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Re: Any live streaming to Decfest 2013?
Reply #21 - 10/07/13 at 23:10:42
 
I sure wish we could easily quote...where did the quote button in these forums go?

Anywho,


Will - long story short, my MG944 has a crossover with Mundorf caps in it.  Unfortunately, the way Bob built mine, the X-over was installed before the speaker was fully assembled...so I can't get at it. I could bypass it by clipping the leads and running wire to the speakers (adding a capacitor of course). But when I questioned Bob about the speakers this weekend, he said he spent 6 months working on this crossover, so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. That, and I'm too lazy to want to buy caps, pull speakers, run wire inside, solder and reassemble.
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Re: Any live streaming to Decfest 2013?
Reply #22 - 10/08/13 at 00:03:27
 
Maddog, I missed (just noticed) and you mentioned Steve has the passive bass extension stands available for sale. I will call Decware to order!  Thanks.

Well, I'm done rambling on about buying this Speaker or that Amp.

I found a Solid State Amp that does a lot of things right....not Tubes...but it never can be. It is a keeper though... .

I found a couple more digital front ends in the NAD M51 & Anedio D2...I was looking for to expand into hi-rez -but-do redbook right/right now. My venerable Audio Alchemy DTI-Pro 32 & 3.0 DAC keeps going strong too. All 3 of these DACS have preamps.

Ordering the DM945 with the bass extension stands will play very nice with my SE84CS (stock-never to be touched/you don't mess with this MOJO of perfection) & Super Zen CKC.

Getting the Mystery Amp will drive anything I have and the DM945's with passive bass extension stands.

=Stone done.
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Reply #23 - 10/08/13 at 00:28:35
 
famous last words....
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Reply #24 - 10/08/13 at 00:32:33
 
Lonely Raven. Got you. I just can't help playing around with stuff if it is logical toward the sound I am after. That crossover sounds different than what I tried. Or maybe it is the same and seems different since the the cap is only on the tweeter in mine and the coil only on a mid driver. But maybe things just kept getting more refined as Bob went.

Bob liked it better when I put the coil in mine too, that's why I tried it. Different rooms, different tastes, but the same neighborhood. I really like the 944s.

Clearly the HR-1s came to me with Bob's exacting standards too. But I made some progressive and logical changes to my mind and finally found that a great speaker became pretty well flawless for my system/room. In serious listening mode, to me, notably better than stock. So working from Bob's brilliant work has been a really good thing here.

To each his own! Wink
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Reply #25 - 10/08/13 at 02:28:18
 
FWIW
Bob told me that (IIRC sometime after Decfest last year) the 944 went back to just a cap on the tweeter.
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Reply #26 - 10/08/13 at 04:47:57
 
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Bob told me that (IIRC sometime after Decfest last year) the 944 went back to just a cap on the tweeter


Maybe after I get my Mystery amp, and get some listening time in, I'll try just a cap on the tweeter and see how that pans out. Right now I'm in "scrambling to save money" mode so I have enough for the Mystery amp, plus a hearty expansion to my album collection with which to enjoy the amp and speakers!  :)
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Reply #27 - 10/08/13 at 05:45:10
 
....done with hardware for few years I should have said.  8-)

Fun stuff:
After the Mystery Amp comes into the stable...I look forward to some tube rolling. Using the K120's in the MA for comparison with the KT66.

Putting hours on the DM945 & sub bass passive enclosure.

I have some Cryode' EV tubes to get in my CKC.

Rotating the 3 digital front ends around my 3 Systems.

Revisiting my room treatments.

General Tweaks to Systems.

I won't miss boxing up and returning or selling things....which I have done over the last 18 months.

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Reply #28 - 10/08/13 at 06:48:33
 
Did you ever get around to showing off your room treatment? I was curious about what you had and how it was setup.
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Reply #29 - 10/08/13 at 14:23:31
 
I will.

....for starter's I'm going to get my Systems listed in the Pictures thread and then give it a "bump" when I get some pic's in there.   -S
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