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Shalamatwazzy
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09/02/13 at 20:03:36
 
Intensely Intrigued by Decware...

Been perusing Steve's website and its so comprehensive it makes me want to join the gang.

I live in the UK so if I want to feel the 'zen' in my life I have the whole import taxes bag to carry man..I'll do it though if its worth it.

Interested in replacing my current solid state amplification..owned an Almarro 318b prior, amongst other things...

So I'm hoping to find some Uk folk here so I can maybe hook up and get to listen prior to taking a USA plunge..but am very happy to hear from any of the Decware dudes out there   Smiley

Simplified Current set up is :

Modified Lenco GL75-Whest-Avondale-Vandersteen 1c's

Had the Vandee's for the last 4 years and would initially like to use them but at 90db I'm not convinced the 2 watter even doubled up in mono will be sufficient to blow me socks off..I would sincerely hope though that the Tori would do this..

Would welcome suggestions as to where Decware fits in to my system and if accepted how it plans to take over the system, take over me, take over the WORLD!!!!!   Grin Grin

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Reply #1 - 09/02/13 at 20:31:10
 
Welcome to the site.  I'm pretty new myself and I should be getting the new 25 watt/ch Torii IV soon.  Like you I wanted to move off solid state and I have even less efficient (87dB) speakers than yours.  Luckily a nearby friend has the Torii and I was able to try it with my speakers.  We were able to get volume levels that we had to shout over before the amp started to strain.  That was good enough for me as I don't listen very loudly.  

If during the early going I find I really do want more power, Decware will have two more powerful models.  I hope you can track down someone who will let you hear the great Decware sound.  I found that the Torii brought out better sound from my speakers than I had heard with any other amp.  The Torii should be a great amp for your Vandys but again, you can go with more power if needed.
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Reply #2 - 09/02/13 at 20:49:06
 
Thanks for the welcome jsm71  8-) Are you in England?..Your experience with the Tori and 87db speakers is encouraging..but..I had 15 watts of pure class A with the Almarro 318b into my 1c's and quite often wanted more..however my wife says I'm def amongst other things  ;) Wink...Had this combo for over 2 years so it couldn't have been considered a problem..Almarro had a lot of current swing too but ultimately ran far far too hot..Ive got two young children and the mention of exposed lethal voltage was enough for my wife to soil herself Shocked..it had to go..sweet sweet thing though...
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Reply #3 - 09/02/13 at 22:28:15
 
Hi from Canada !
I've owned several Decware amps, and CD players.
The music is beyond reproach, the build quality is superior as well.
You'll be asking why others charge so much more.
Good Luck with your search
don
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Reply #4 - 09/03/13 at 04:54:26
 
Hi Shalamatwazzy, welcome to the forums ... I can't help you with the location as I'm in Bonita California (which is a stones throw from Baja California Mexico).

You may be interested to know, that I have a Decware Taboo MkII and a Rega Brio-R ... the Taboo puts out 6 watts and the Brio-R puts out 50 watts.  I can tell you this ... the quality of the 1st watt is hugely important in playback and although I like the Brio-R it cannot compete with the soundstage, spank and bass to what the Taboo throws out.

If you haven't done so, I would encourage you to read Steve's paper on Understanding "usable power", Steve has a saying ... "IF FIRST WATT SUCKS WHY CONTINUE?"  and I believe this is a "sound" (pun intended Cool) philosophy.

That being said, my speakers are very efficient at 95dB, but yours being 90dB and depending on your room size and acoustics may put Decware's lower 2 watt amps up against their limits.

I'm not sure of what your budget is, but Decware does have amps that go all the way up to 60 watts.  So you have a couple options which make sense ... either (1) a lower watt S.E.T. amp and a pair high efficiency speakers, or (2) a higher wattage push pull such as the Torii MKIII (or currently MKIV) and keep your current speakers.  But I don't think I would recommend a 2 watt amp such as the Super Zen with your 90dB speakers ... especially if you like loud music and your room is medium to large sized.
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Reply #5 - 09/03/13 at 14:31:19
 
No, I'm not in England.  I live in Ohio.  I did notice a Colin N. from the United Kingdom on the back of the build list for a TorII MK IV.  I realize that the United Kingdom doesn't really narrow down the location, but at least he would be on the right side of the pond.  :)

Also, being on the back of the list means that Colin has still some waiting to bear through.  I'm "on the bench" which means they are currently building mine.  

Speaker sensitivity ratings are a tricky thing to aim against when trying to size an amps power output.  At 90dB from my experience the Torii should drive your speakers fine, but only you can determine that.  I do hope someone close by speaks up and can help.  

Steve is currently working on a new amp that he has been calling the "mystery amp".  It looks like it will be about 35 watts/ch and is targeted at speakers like ours.  I will be attending the annual Decfest in early October.  He will have this new amp on display.  Ironically he got a chance to test this new amp on my exact speakers.  I have JansZen zA2.1 hybrid electrostatics.  David Janszen stopped by recently and got to play with Steve's mystery amp and his bigger mono blocks.  You can read a brief accouting of this visit here:

http://www.decware.com/cgi-bin/yabb22/YaBB.pl?num=1365130519/90#90

I may be looking at this new amp, but I really don't think so based on my earlier tests.  Steve's 25 watts are stronger than that number would suggest.  I was amazed at how much bass and sound weight I was getting.  And again, the volume levels were fine for me but I'll know soon enough.  Lastly, Steve has stressed that he will work with me if I decide I need to step up.  This kind of one on one attention is one of the reasons I decided to purchase.
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Reply #6 - 09/04/13 at 22:19:22
 
Cheers jsm71 mate ( hey um whats your name, if don't mind me asking old chap?).. read with interest and also Steve's writing on 'Usable power' which made complete sense..

I would love to hear what the single ended 2 watt can do and I guess the best would be the pair of monos of these..but would almost definitely mean selling on the Vandersteen's and looking for higher efficiency speakers here in the UK..any ideas??..Klipsch again are scarce here..My room is 12 x 19 feet.
The other option is plumbing for the Tori which should drive my Vandee's pretty darn good (remembering the Almarro 318b with 15--18 watts did well)...but concerns me that I may be left wondering if I will have missed out on the special intimacy timber an inner detail that the sweet 2w mono's would surely provide... Man its difficult enough trying to make the right decisions when it comes to this obsessive interest we call hi fidelity..but now add into the mix the logistics for me to own Decware equipment... I'm telling you right now if Steve relocated his business in the south of England I would be his number one customer  ;D
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Reply #7 - 09/05/13 at 00:56:55
 
Well, I'm certainly not in any position to give out buying advice.  I'm getting my first Decware piece and I'm not even sure it is the right choice.  ;D

I have had the advantage of hearing it first however and it blows away the other tube amps that I have heard up to twice its price.  I have also made the decision to work around my speakers because I think that is the most important item to pick first.  There are many, many other amps including the one I have now that can give me joy with my speakers.  I just want to maximize what they are capable of, and the Decware sound is the most musical I've heard.

If you are comfortable with your speakers, the only real question regarding a Decware amp is how much power will you need.  Your budget will also play a role here.  The Torii MK IV (25 watts/ch) is priced at about $3k until Steve updates the web site.  Get on the list now if that amp interests you and that will hold the price.  You won't be charged until it is ready to ship.  The new Mystery amp (about 35 watts/ch) is hinted to be about a $5k product.

The build list (link near the bottom of the Contact page) has a number of international buyers on it currently so shipping abroad is not new for Decware.  Call Steve if you have questions.  I hope you are getting what you need to make an informed decision.

Scott
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Reply #8 - 09/07/13 at 21:22:39
 
I have the chance to purchase a UK spec SE34I.2+. around a 3 hour round trip for me.

Should I?

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Reply #9 - 09/07/13 at 23:05:21
 
I'm sure Lon would chime in as a yes ... as I recall him mentioning on several occasions that the SE34I types are one of his favorite Decware Amps.

The integrated gives you the option of not running it with a Preamp and the extra few watts compared to the little 2 watt may help with bigger rooms and/or different speakers.

I would do a search on this forum, I believe you will find a lot of threads/posts about this amp that could help with your decision.  If I got another Decware amp it would be an SE34I type.

I'm running some really efficient speakers right now from Omega Speakers, but they're a US brand and I'm not sure what that would be for shipping, etc. However Omega has been in business for a while and I'm sure a few pairs have ended up accross the pond ... Louis (the Omega designer)  uses a few amps when he designs his speakers and one of them is Decware, so they play really nice together and that may be a brand you can look out for (if horns scare you Wink) ... I tried some horns, but I think my room and listening position was just not optimum for them to sound all that great when in my setup.

Omega has a forum on Audio Circles if you want to read some info on them...
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Reply #10 - 09/08/13 at 02:21:41
 
If you have the time and inclination to go and hear it I would do so. I had an earlier Integrated model, and before that a pair of Decware EL34 Monoblocks and I loved the sound of these amps. They are a bit more forgiving than the Zen 2 watt amps to my ears, and I could listen to many recordings and really get into the music, whereas the Zen and Select amp that I had I was more conscious of the sound of the recordings. (A lot of the recordings I have are far from audiophile in nature!) I only moved on to the Torii amps because I moved my system out into an area more than twice as large and needed more watts.

Anyway, a good chance to see and hear the amp, and you just might fall in love. They're wonderful machines.
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Reply #11 - 09/08/13 at 13:18:40
 
As you know we pay 20% vat here on the price of electricals.
Customs & Excise duties for some reason is not a fixed science.
I think I paid around 10% average during various transactions with Decware. (5 or 6 parcels).
I went for a pair of SE341`s to use as monoblocs. As Lon says they are superb. I figured their power to be just right to drive 89db (comfortable to just loud in a 15 x 10ft) without cranking right up or having to much slack. And they come in under the Torii`s, Decwares flagship (pre Torii monos) amp. Added the CSP2+ (now 3) to control them and another satisfied cutomer. The CSP is a great, versatile command center.
I never posted earlier as I`m on my back with a touch of sciatica, so far from inviting you round I havent been able to listen myself for a couple of weeks and maybe anther week or two as well, so figured you would go for the Torii iv, which would be logical. Mentioning the SE34 gives you more options.
If you havent decided in another,say, 2 weeks you are welcome to hear my rig.
I chuckling to myself that you wont be able to hold out for 2 weeks.  :)



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Reply #12 - 09/08/13 at 19:04:52
 
Marky I'm guessing 'here' is the UK right?..sorry to hear about your back..I think I will just buy the SE34I.2+ and take a chance...if it doesn't work out I will re sell..

Loving the look of the Omegas by the way...tick a lot of boxes for me I'm  wondering though where i can get to listen to a pair in the UK?

I'm also tempted to just import a pair but I did get my fingers burnt last time i did this on a pair of ZU Omen, in short I found them to sound awful!!!!
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Reply #13 - 09/08/13 at 19:38:54
 
I know he has a couple importers for other countries such as Australia for sure ... so he may by chance have one for the UK.  

You should contact Louis at Omega or post over at the Audio Circle forums to see if anybody knows for sure.
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Reply #14 - 09/08/13 at 20:23:35
 
Will do Beo...hey thanks by the way folks, your all very helpful...I have a gut feeling that the Omega/Hoyt-Bedford models and am hoping to get to listen to some here in the UK.
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