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Non-audiophiles notice power treatment improvement
06/14/13 at 15:40:57
 
Just thought I'd share a recent experience.

I moved from Texas to Ohio to help keep my parents in their home, they are really in need of help. I find that I have to spend so much time here that I really don't listen to my own system as much as I would like. . . I spend about four waking hours at my place on a good day. So I've been listening to my Dad's stereo a lot, and my parents are enjoying it as they have let it sit idle a lot. I bought a Pyle turntable and preamp and he has a Sony receiver and a Denon cd carousel. . .nice enough sound because it's in a custom console cabinet made for Dad in the early 'sixties with full range Electrovoice speakers within, those speakers have been giving us aural pleasure for nearly fifty years! The surrounds were redone about 20 years ago.

Anyway, yesterday, doing some more unpacking, I found a big heavy Monster Cable power center I hadn't used for years because I went the Tripplite isolation transformer route and then PS Audio Power Plant Premier route. I took it over and plugged all Dad's stereo equipment into it while they were downstairs watching the news. I turned the stereo on and listened to "Stone Flower, " Jobim on CTI. I thought that there was a little improvement to the sound, more separation, a bit less edginess to the high frequencies. I let the carousel play a few cds and in the meantime my parents were back in the living room and we're talking and my Dad says "The stereo sounds really good today!" and my Mom says "You know, it almost sounds as if I'm in the auditorium!" I told them that I had added that power center to organize the plugs and protect the equipment from surges etc. and my Dad said "Well, I think it changed the sound."

Surprised me that they heard the difference so easily and without knowing there had been a change.
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« Last Edit: 06/14/13 at 15:50:01 by Lon »  

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Re: Non-audiophiles notice power treatment improvement
Reply #1 - 06/14/13 at 17:32:58
 
Good story Lon, and maybe a pointer to the DNA of careful listening?
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Reply #2 - 06/14/13 at 18:05:19
 
I'm glad that they noticed it, it validated to myself some of my experiences. . . I'm not just a crazy audiophile! Well, I'm crazy, but my audiophile observations have some merit. Smiley

I've always loved this stereo, the cabinet had a Dynaco amp, preamp, and tuner in it when I was growing up that an electrical engineer friend of my Dad's had built and then given to him when he got a job in England. That's when my Dad had the cabinet made (a big expense for a preacher in innercity Philadelphia with three then four kids!) with the speakers installed. I've always sort of wanted to drop a little zen amp in here and try it out. I may do it yet. The hold up is my Dad loves his classical music station, and I'd have to have a tuner preamp or something. . . . Next time I fel like spending money on them (already lately I've bought them another tv and two blu-ray players, and the turntable and phono preamp!) I might see what the options are and drop the Eddie Vaughn modded C amp in. These speakers are awesome in this console, just have that old "alnico" warmth and are surprisingly clear and dynamic.
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Reply #3 - 06/15/13 at 12:39:37
 
You're a good son for moving to help your parents with accelerated living. It's a whole lot better than leaving it to The Avenging [Visiting] Angels and Life Alert.
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Reply #4 - 06/15/13 at 12:47:53
 
This is the hardest job I've ever had, and I'm lonely and a bit unhappy, but I have to do it. . . and for their sake I hope I have to do it a long time!

The more I think of it, the more I think I need to improve their stereo so I can enjoy it more. Smiley
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Reply #5 - 06/15/13 at 19:48:16
 
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The more I think of it, the more I think I need to improve their stereo so I can enjoy it more.


I agree Lon. Sounds like you have a great start. I don't know what my parents had in their console stereo, but I recall a lot of tubes and loving to listen to it! Have fun!
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Re: Non-audiophiles notice power treatment improvement
Reply #6 - 06/15/13 at 20:15:33
 
Well, after my last post I bid on and won for a hundred bucks a Marantz tuner-preamp-AV processor that should work well and allow me to drop in the C amp, so I have that to look forward to. Nice to have something to look forward to, and should be interesting to hear how the C amp sounds with these speakers, and the DAC in the Marantz might even be better than that in the carousel. Will be interesting to find out.
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Reply #7 - 06/25/13 at 15:10:11
 
Okay a report back. Received the Marantz AV-560 audio/video processor/peramp tuner and it was in pristine shape, all material in the original box. Hardly used or very delicately used, this was a great processor in its early days close to twenty years ago and at less than a tenth its original sticker price a good deal.

I hooked it up to the Denon carousel, the Pyle turntable and phono preamp, and then routed it to the Eddie Vaughn-modded Decware C amp that I bought recently when my Torii Mk III was in Peoria for an upgrade. Things have been spinning for a while and I must say. . .NICE.

The biggest diference that I noticed between this and the Sony receiver is dynamic contrast. The span from the softest passage to the loudest is more than subtly wider. My father also noticed this right off--with the right recording a very dynamic presentation is there to enjoy.

The built in DAC is better than that in the Denon cd carousel by a noticeable margin. More instrumental separation, more clarity, more detail. And a bit less of an edge to the higher frequencies, and a bit tighter bass.  I'm using a Creative Audio Concepts "Black Knight" coaxial cable and may later try an Amphenol glass optical cable I have on hand.

The turntable and phono preamp also sound improved. The presentation is more dynamic and the tonality is mellower than that through the Sony receiver line stage.

The radio turner is perhaps the same overall in sonic presentation or perhaps a bit improved. I haven't listened as closely yet.

This time my parents sat on the couch and watched me make the exchange of components and connect the new ones, so it was not an "unseen" change. Still, I think they genuinely feel there's an improvement. My Dad noticed the dynamic contrast improvement very quickly, and he said that cds sounded "deeper." My Mom didn't make a lot of specific comments but she did ask me more often than before about the music, "What instrument is that?" "Would you say that music really swings? Sounds like swing music!" Several times she said '"I really like that, this sounds good."

I think the Decware amp and Marantz processor are bringing out more information from the sources and letting the excellent Electro Voice full range speakers shine with their excellence. I'll probably do a bit of tweaking over the next weeks but I am going to be enjoying the music more here, which is good as I get to spend so little time listening to my own system(s) of late.
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Reply #8 - 06/25/13 at 21:17:02
 
Hi Lon, I was just wondering ... since you have 2 Decware based systems, why not set one up at your parents house?  I'm sure your dad could get into Decware Grin
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Reply #9 - 06/25/13 at 22:00:25
 
Well,

Dad has this beautiful old cherry wood stereo cabinet he spent as much as he possibly could on back in '62 and it's perfect for the living room, fits into the perfect spot, looks fantastic (Mother approved indeed). It's eight feet long, speakers are centered six feet apart, and the speakers are '61 alnico magnet full range Electro Voices, just sound wonderful even today. That's got to be the centerpiece of the system, so dictated by the logistics of the room, and by Mom.

So right now it's about as close to a Decware system as it's going to be with this cool little Eddie Vaughn-modded C amp unless I throw a CSP2 and/or a ZBox in between the Marantz tuner/preamp/processor and the C amp. Which I might do in time. But I'm not sure if it will add much, the C amp sounds great with the Electro Voice speakers. It may be that a better source may be the better next step . . . but Dad loves having a carousel and as carousels go this Denon is certainly not the worst.

So I think this is about the most Decware this system will be.
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Reply #10 - 06/26/13 at 07:02:21
 
It sounds very cool ... speaking of consoles have you seen these at Symbol Audio?  These beauties are stuffed with hi-end audio equipment, I bet they sound pretty nice.
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Reply #11 - 06/26/13 at 12:58:32
 
Nah. I don't look around the web at audio stuff. . . drives me a little nuts, I'm happy with what I have and don't need to "educate" myself or tempt myself.

The only thing I really want are some more PS Audio products, PowerBases and AC-12 cords. I have what I really need, but would like about three more of each. But don't want to spend the money right now.
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Reply #12 - 06/26/13 at 20:35:53
 
Okay I looked at the Symbol Audio record console. It might be interesting at a quarter of the price, but 26 thousand dollars? And an Airport Express? Just not something I'd go for.
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Reply #13 - 06/27/13 at 00:00:06
 
26K ... ouch!  I would never pay that even if I could afford it (which I can't), however I just thought the concept was cool as I am a fan of all things mid century modern and I had never seen a console with high end gear in it like that.

I think it would be fun (and much cheaper) to find a Mid Century Modern Console, gut it, refinish the wood on it and then replace it with that type of gear though.



I can imagine picking up a Decware DIY Amp Kit and some Lowther type drivers and putting it into a beautiful Walnut or Teak console from the 50's or 60's ... It would go perfectly in my place as I pretty much have all mid century furniture and decor.
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Reply #14 - 06/27/13 at 00:19:24
 
I really like my Dad's, wish I could get a picture of it but that won't happen. It's really solid, three shelves inside and the audio components sit in there. Instead of long legs, it has a moulded surround I guess you would say, and sits only about six inches above the ground.It's made of much more solid wood than any console I've seen. There are four louvered doors. two over each speaker compartment and two for the main compartment in the center. I guess I need to stress this is a cabinet/component rack and not a console.

Anyway, I love my Samson racks and prefer them, but these have those awesome Electro Voice speakers in it and that really makes it special.
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