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Re: ZSB Rotary switch box-I'm excited!
Reply #15 - 05/08/13 at 16:36:10
 
I've had both Decware and MAC cables, though neither with the Xhadow connectors.

They are very similar. . . I found that the Decware were a bit warmer than the Ultrasilver + and ultimately I moved beyond both into using copper cables made by cryoset.com, they were the better fit for my system. I also tried and kept a VooDoo Cable "Evolution" interconnect which uses both copper and silver wire, and I would gladly get more of these if I were to find them at a great price, this is a great cable.
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Reply #16 - 05/08/13 at 17:47:31
 
"UPDATE"....I just got a reply back from Steve....he will honor the Audiogon price of $49 bucks for the UltraSilver+.  He also stated that he is running low on silver wire, and will need to place an order soon.  

For now, my system doesn't warrant the several hundred dollar price tag for interconnects, so the MAC and Decware cables will work nicely.  

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Reply #17 - 05/08/13 at 22:13:31
 
Dom,  thanks for mentioning MAC's price of $49 for cables.   It is certainly very attractive, but I'm going to hold off on buying any more cables for now.

For those interested in spending $200+ on interconnects, you may wish to check out Grover Huffman's website (www/groverhuffman.com).  I've been using his interconnects and speaker cables for 8-9 years now, and they have gone from being "very good for the money" to "simply amazing for the money".

He's  a one man shop who only has one type of interconnect, speaker cable, power cord.  The terminations of his interconnects were designed by himself, and fabricated just for him.  He uses copper/silver/aluminun ribbons that he hand polishes.  Has a patent on his cable configurations, offers very reasonable prices on later upgrades (he's always upgrading his stuff) and is a pleasure to deal with.

You usually have to wait a few/several weeeks once you place an order, but I feel it's worth it.

Those $49 cables from MAC sound great, but Grover is an option for those who are ok with spending $200 or so.

I'm happy with his stuff.  Highs are smooth, imaging great.  

There is a long thread about him on the Steve Hoffman hardware forum.

Mike
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Reply #18 - 05/08/13 at 22:29:34
 
I have two sets of Grover's cables. They are in fact excellent, and it is a pleasure to do business with him.
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Reply #19 - 05/08/13 at 23:22:32
 
Pale Rider,  I'm glad you like them.  I'm using his interconnects as well as his speaker cables in both my systems.  His interconnects sounded quite a bit better, once he went to his own design for the  terminations.

Very happy with his speaker cables, also.

Mike
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Reply #20 - 05/08/13 at 23:49:34
 
From DOM

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When I was configuring my ZStage....I originally requested a second set of inputs.  Steve discouraged me....indicating that his new switchbox would be the better choice due to a cleaner signal path.  


As I look at this conceptually, I am guessing Steve was concerned about noise. That by adding wire, switch and jacks inside the Zstage, and it with tube, power supply and wires already, this might introduce noise. If not for noise, I don't see how you could have a less involved signal path for adding one set of inputs, the wire being extremely short in a Zstage.

I had mine modded this way, and Steve did change the ground scheme on it too, but I don't think mine is any more noisy than it was before, perhaps less, but I can't say for sure.

The alternative is the switchbox designed for ultimate transparency, but still with its wire, jacks, switch, and optional caps and volume pot, It will have a sound, though undoubtedly a very clean and good one. Also for using the switch with the Zstage requires another IC set with the IC wire, jacks and potential noise, all clearly influencing the sound, knowing we can hear differences between ICs.

This is not to say the Switch is not a great idea. It looks like a very versatile tool and you know it will be as invisible as Steve can make it, so it will not be a system impediment. Especially for folks with a lot of inputs it will be a boon...like Marky.

Actually for me, I have not gotten upset by good ICs. They do influence the sound, but this can be used for tuning the sound of a system as long as the ICs are revealing.

Finally, when it gets this good, these fine details of audio theory become less of a deal I think. If the sound is revealing to begin with, and we add revealing parts to flesh out the system needs, this is part of the game.

I am interested in the caps. Can anyone explain the use of caps in this passive box?
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Reply #21 - 05/09/13 at 01:51:05
 
Thanks Mike I remember you mentioning using those with great results.  I just might have to pick up a pair

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Reply #22 - 05/09/13 at 02:32:00
 
JD,  I doubt very much that you would be unhappy if you tried out a pair of Grover's latest interconnects (he is always tweaking them).  

Burn-in is minimal (100 hr.+ should take care of it, Your experience may vary) but they sound great right out of the box.

Grover lives and breathes cables (that's all he does), and it shows in his work.  Many people compare them to cables costing ten times as much, if not more.  He puts more effort into them, than virtually anyone else.

He ships a lot of stuff out of the country, and is always busy, but you might be able to get a pair in a few weeks, with the summer audio slowdown approaching.  He does take a few weeks off in the summer to go hiking in the mountains, so check with him before ordering.

Mike

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Reply #23 - 05/09/13 at 03:31:02
 
Mike,

Thanks for the tip on the Grover cables. Judging from the MAC ultrasilver + cables I have used, I think the Quad+ mentioned by Dom sound pretty interesting....but these Grovers sound like they may take things into the bigtime conceptually, so you and PRs report on how much you like them is a nice thing in considering these.

My Favorite IC now is a VHAdio silver homemade recipe with cotton covered pure silver wire spaced very specifically, and wrapped around a teflon tube for damping and structure, with teflon tape wrapped around the outside of the cotton covered wire before the outer wire protector, and finally Eichman bullets. They sound really not there to me.

Though I need no more ICs, these Grovers are compelling. I have come to like cable rolling for fine system adjustments. I just rolled in my Decware silvers after having them out for a while, and they were perfect to deepen the bass a bit and add overall clarity between the Zstage and my new toy...the DSPeaker Anti-mode room EQ fixer and DAC, though I am not using the DAC.

This is a case where I have 3 sets of ICs in succession, and it made my skin crawl a little to think of it...Tranquility DAC> Zstage> DSPeaker> Torii. But finally, each tool between the wires has its overall benefits and it sounds very good even though the signal chain is uncomfortably long and involved!
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Reply #24 - 05/09/13 at 13:01:03
 
Will wrote:
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This is a case where I have 3 sets of ICs in succession, and it made my skin crawl a little to think of it

Too funny will! I suspect, if you do try a set, you would love Grover's cables. Once I have my own signal path fully baked in, I will likely order some for the 2-channel analog path.
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