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Reply #960 - 03/20/14 at 14:43:31
 
Thanks Busterfree.

In this case, I think a few pictures are far better than 1000 words.  The ZMA is an incredible amp and I bet with some relatively minor tweaks, most folks can get more out of it.  Hopefully this information will be helpful to others.    If anyone has any comments/ideas on how to improve the room, I am open.  

I personally think the ZMA has quite a few advantages over the Super Zen (I own the SZ and don’t plan to ever get rid of the amp).  For me, the ZMA has 95% or more of the clarity, detail and holographic nature of the SZ , but with more bass, tighter bass, more tone and dynamics.  For me, it is more than just a super charged/turbo charged SZ.  

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Reply #961 - 03/20/14 at 14:52:58
 
After listening to the Raven's ZMA twice now for extended periods, I stand by my nickname for the amp: Zenzilla Grin
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Reply #962 - 03/20/14 at 14:55:28
 
Hopefully Steve is considering an official name change.  ZMA is so nebulous...ZenZilla (Z2) on the hand...
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Reply #963 - 03/20/14 at 14:58:39
 
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I personally think the ZMA has quite a few advantages over the Super Zen (I own the SZ and don’t plan to ever get rid of the amp).  For me, the ZMA has 95% or more of the clarity, detail and holographic nature of the SZ , but with more bass, tighter bass, more tone and dynamics.  For me, it is more than just a super charged/turbo charged SZ.


I would agree with this. When my ZMA was getting the ground loop issue sorted out, I put my 15+ year old Zen Amp back in place, and I was shocked by how silky and holographic it is, and how well it holds up to the ZMA.

That said, the Mystery Amp has some more *realism* that's difficult to describe. On top of all that speed and power throughout the audio bandwidth of course.   Cheesy

The more I work with the ZMA, the more I see why Steve said it's the amp to use with High Def files (or in his case 15ips 1/2 track master tapes!). It's realism and honesty matched with a very accurate source, bring us even closer to the original.

I look forward to finding a source that truly gets us closer to real along with the ZMA - since we can't all have reel to reel master tapes, I'm hoping the hype on the PS Audio DS is a beginning of a new era in HD that gets us close, especially if it does it with the recordings we already have.
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Reply #964 - 03/20/14 at 15:49:08
 
You read my mind Lon. I meant to go back in an amend my post.

I think the P5 would help my Front End & my CSP3. Then, after some time add the ZMA to it. However, at first keeping the ZMA off the P5 (redundant I know).

My timeline: CSP3 in around late April/early May. Put some break in time on it. Then, pull in a Power Plant P5 (do the prescribed above). Furthermore, continue to read & educate myself more with the great Threads you and the other guys have created about Power Regeneration.

Following the PS Audio Direct Stream DAC Thread will continue to be fun. Reading how things unfold with that and Palomino & LR's visit to AXPONA the 25th an 26th of April/visiting Paul McGowan = interesting to say the least.

All you Perfect Wave DAC (PWD) owners have an upgrade path (if you chose to do so)...with the kit, not just the trade in option. Cool.

My main interest as I stated over on the "PS Audio is about to do" - Thread...is PCM running  into the DSDAC via Transport and/or PCM FLAC files. DSD an other Hi-Rez bit/sampling rates....if it ever pans out, are  just icing on the cake.

Dave1210, awesome room. I am in a smaller space, so I don't know if ceiling treatment or high frequency treatment in your corners are needed like I need/have.

LR, I will change to the 6.8 fuse....Farmboss is using 6.8 too....by discovery we both had blowing fuses/that merry-go-round. I currently still have my 7 amp quick blow in it.

I wonder why Steve did not mention KT120's? Now, at 50mA...my Power Tranny's are running cooler and it sounds even better....I reconfirmed this morning. Talk about baptism by fire! I burned my ZMA in at 60mA for nearly 280 hours.

Yes, the ZMA has a realism that is difficult to describe. The SE84CS with the NOS SV83 Svetlana has a romantic clarity/realism that is hard to describe too. Great problems to have! Of course, I enjoy the SE84CS in a slighty different quick room adjustment and at lower SPL.
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Reply #965 - 03/20/14 at 16:03:26
 
Lonely Raven wrote on 03/20/14 at 14:58:39:
I look forward to finding a source that truly gets us closer to real along with the ZMA - since we can't all have reel to reel master tapes, I'm hoping the hype on the PS Audio DS is a beginning of a new era in HD that gets us close, especially if it does it with the recordings we already have.


I wouldn't personally have my hopes set that high. Closer than your Oppo? Oh yes, definitely. Close to reel to reel or other master "tape" source realism? Not expecting that to be honest out of the tech and implementation from our existing discs et al.
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Reply #966 - 03/20/14 at 16:24:33
 
Well, I have listened to that cymbal on Shelby Lynne 'A Little Lovin' about 20 times in anticipation of the Direct Stream audition.  On my system it sounds more like Agean than Zildjian Wink
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Reply #967 - 03/20/14 at 16:29:30
 
Yes, I did take note of that Cymbal comparison over on the PS Thread. Damn, you guys are going to have some fun and you might come away not impressed too. I am prepared for that. Even Ted Smith said in his 36 min part 1 video...."you might just be pleased with what you have".
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Reply #968 - 03/20/14 at 16:34:25
 
I'm a little cynical about the hype, but I am hopeful for the product.

My wife caught me watching that Ted Smith technical video.  I think she would have been more relieved if it turned out I was watching porn.

I'll stop clogging up this perfectly good ZMA thread now.
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Reply #969 - 03/20/14 at 16:52:23
 
Well, it is time for me to pull my Parker Crusader's out of my closet and try them with the ZMA. They are Parker 95's with the Ribbon Tweeter and lower separately powered bass units via outboard plate Amp named by Dave the Crusader. They can't handle the Hi-resolution of my Kimber Select...but the Zen Styx are perfect and very very good with them. These are 95db SPL @1 watt/1 meter.
http://www.parkeraudio.net/
These Speakers/my Crusader's are very good with well recorded Blues and Audiophile recordings.
Note: Acoustic Suspension on top with MTM configuration and ported 7" active bass driver's on bottom via plate AMP.


I also have a pair of the mighty Klipsch RF-7 II.
http://www.klipsch.com/rf-7-ii-floorstanding-speaker
These are SENSITIVITY:  101dB @ 2.83V / 1m  
Fun as heck!

See? I have efficient Speakers that do great. However, I don't prefer them to the musicality I get with my Kimber Cables & Speakers.
Others do to...that are running: Martin Logans, Monitor Audio, Legacy Audio and of course me, with vintage Polk LS 90 & SDA 1. So, don't be afraid to venture down this path. However, it is pain in the ass to find ones that work well. I own 10 pair of Speakers and 4 of the 10 work well with my Decware Amps (the four mentioned in this post).

...yet these two pair (Parkers & Klipsch RF 7 II's) are fun and enjoyable.  I would recommend. Since, I am digging them out and playing them today with my three Decware Amps...I thought I'd post.
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Reply #970 - 03/20/14 at 16:56:49
 
To funny Palomino!
Yeah, my ex-wife and now GF...just roll their eyes. But, my new GF loves my Mid-Fi Vinyl set up.  We spin some good stuff and have fun with that. My Listening room is beyond the comprehension of most mere mortals! HEHEhe......

I like here/Decware...we can get off the OP a little (original post) and then come back to it-without a Fascist moderator chiming in. We are adults now....imagine that... .
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Reply #971 - 03/20/14 at 16:57:32
 
I have no doubt that the DirectStream is better than the current PW DAC.  The question is by how much?  And more specifically how much in your system (Paul is rockin' Infinity IRS's after all).  Will it be the holy grail and sound like the master tapes?  I seriously doubt it, but it should be pretty compelling (knowing PS Audio's reputation for innovation and having experience with a few of their products) and especially at the 6K price point (50% more than the current DAC).   Paul has a lot riding on this price increase with his current user base.  Obviously the difference will depend on your current baseline, but I expect it will be a noticeably better front end.
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Reply #972 - 03/20/14 at 17:09:03
 
Oh God yes....Ted & Paul have a lot riding on it = profit motive.

We will be the ones to discern its merit.

As far as the 15K to 100k Speakers go...you can put them all on a boat with all the Lawyers...and sink them. I can take the four pair of Speakers I just mentioned two posts up that play well with Decware in my room and set up and yield musical bliss.

But like you said Dave, how much better and is it worth it to you me etc...et al. ...to pay the price. The excitement does lay in helping PCM for ME..... .
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Reply #973 - 03/20/14 at 17:09:36
 
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I wouldn't personally have my hopes set that high. Closer than your Oppo? Oh yes, definitely. Close to reel to reel or other master "tape" source realism? Not expecting that to be honest out of the tech and implementation from our existing discs et al.


I probably should have said *closer* - I for one have heard the differences in generations away from the master tapes. I've even had a shop test me between original copies of a CD, and BMG music copies of a CD (which I heard from an insider were copies of copies) and I picked the BMG out as the lessor version almost every time.

That said, if Ted says this is even closer to real than the current PS Audio DAC, it really sounds like the DAC I'm looking to match up to the ZMA.

Back on track -

Since you guys are dialing back your ZMA to 50ma, I'll try the same - maybe I'll reach out to Steve and see why the change. I also have a power cord from Palomino to try out, and my hand is hovering over the purchase button on a PS Audio AC5 2M for $190 shipped. Though I really want to try an AC12. Lon, you want to loan me one?  :)
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Reply #974 - 03/20/14 at 17:42:26
 
Hey SteveC....  thanks for the update and "conclusion" - I concur.  I had a pretty good idea when I met you at zenfest, that you & I hear & think alike.  I too do not see me parting with my Torii mk.III in the foreseeable future.  Folks... if you have a Torii 3... don't get your bloomers in a bunch about trading it for something else - especially if you are using it w/high-efficiency, full-range, crossoverless speakers.

Stone "hit the nail on the head & drove it home"... when he said he has 4 pairs of speakers "that work well w/Decware amps".  Synergy is "the key".

I have heard all the Decware amps at various times and on various speakers, had 3 of them in my own system/s, and have owned two.  Currently have a Jupiter capped mk.3.  There is not a bad apple in the bunch.  They are all excellent and will "get you there".  It just depends on the partnering speakers, your room acoustics, your sources and your personal listening preferences more than anything.

I still hold the opinion that the Torii mk.3 has the highest potential for synergy w/high-efficiency, full-range, crossoverless types of speakers.  I have not heard better sound "overall-all aspects considered" come forth from these types of speakers yet, than what I get with the Torii mk.3.  
In fact I just had another OMG experience w/the Torii 3 week before last... I installed 6CA7's and 6N1P's from cryoset (I think Lon is the proponent of these and where I got the notion-thx Lon!) - unbelievable the sound that is coming forth... so real, so palpable (to use a professional reviewers term) as to evoke an emotional response w/well produced music every time.

I have a hunch the ZMA is a better match for more conventional multi-driver speakers, w/crossovers and perhaps of lower sensitivity ultimately.  However, I have no solid objective experience in this regard - yet!  I'm thinking about getting a zma on the build list to be "deliverable" about Decfest time later this year....and hope I can talk Steve into putting some hours on it "in the shop" prior to my arrival to take possession.....

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