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Reply #810 - 03/01/14 at 19:33:37
 
Glad you dig it Stone. I've heard one, similar build and sound to the PS Audio that I love so much, I prefer the PS Audio quite a bit but they sure cost a lot. (I've bought most of mine nicely used).
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Reply #811 - 03/01/14 at 22:00:34
 
FarmBoss wrote on 03/01/14 at 18:57:54:
Slowly getting there- got the zp3 working.  As I did not have a manual I used the manual on the web to install the tubes.  It looks like the manual was based on a different design than I got so I had the two big tubes in the wrong sockets. No harm done it is hooked up to the mystery amp and does sound better and (a tiny bit) louder.  I don't know what the zp3 output is but I will go look it up.  Still needs a lot more power until I will be happy.  It does sound good though.


So glad you got the ZP3 going! It's a great phono preamp.
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Reply #812 - 03/01/14 at 22:23:59
 
i finally got it so I can get it loud enough.  I ran the Zp3 phono stage to the yaquin preamp then to the mystery amp.  The yaquin will need to go back to my mini torrie so I need a more permanent solution.

I think I could do one of two things to boost the input.  The first one is to buy a step up transformer the other is to get a csp3.  Both would be about the same cost.  The csp3 looks like it could also help if I were to hook up another source.  Not sure which would work best.
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Reply #813 - 03/01/14 at 22:31:48
 

    I sure like my CSP3+ if I did have a Mystery amp it would be up front. You would not be disappointed I'm sure. I love mine. Do the CSP3 you'll love it.


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Reply #814 - 03/01/14 at 22:39:17
 
Wow. Does the Decware step-up transformer cost that much? I was going to suggest that as you wouldn't have to wait months for one to be built, my guess (I could be wrong).

The CSP2, CSP2+ or CSP3 preamps are amazing components. I have a CSP2 and three CSP2+ in my first and second systems and my Dad's system. They are indispensble for me.
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Reply #815 - 03/01/14 at 23:45:07
 
I use both. The ZMC is around 1/3 price of the CSP. If your dynavector is the high output version of my one, 20xL, .28mv then it`s 2.8mv. I step mine up x20 (ZMC1) that would equal around 6mv going into the ZP3.  So you might need to double the output of yours, or more. The ZMC2 is for high output carts and if you specify the cart when ordering you`ll get the best match.

CSP, I`ve got the 2+, is a superb tool. Pre in/out trims plus volume control, and lots of scope for future tube rolling.
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Reply #816 - 03/02/14 at 21:23:29
 
Well, I figure since 2/3rd's of my dance card has been punched this past month...I am ordering a pair of Acoustic Zen Adagio's tomorrow. Lars, livin' large in the Northland!  I will report back once I put some hours on them. -S


My System for ZMA:

Dedicated Listening Room is 9' x 11'

Acoustically treated/Michael Green Room Tunes
http://tuneland.techno-zone.net/

& Home Brew 20" x 30" open filter panels = 18 of them.
System Tri-configured on floor (no rack) on flat shelves/on full carpeted room/floor underneath-concrete ...Townsend CD Seismic Sync under digital Audio Alchemy components ...Pangea AC-9SE Power Cord to ZMA ...Adcom AC-enhancer 515 ...all four components plugged into it...has sequential on off start & shut down~

Sony DVD Player as Transport
Illuminati D-60 Digital Coax/BNC
Audio Alchemy DTI-Pro32 (Set at 20 bit dither & sometimes 22 bit)
i2s Prophecy Cryo Digital (sends jitter reduced music 20 bit dither signal separate from clock signal in which it also sends to DAC)
Audio Alchemy v3.0 DAC (dual ladder DACS-w/remote wand volume/adjustable voltage output/driving directly into ZMA)
Kimber Select 1030 Interconnect RCA
ZEN MYSTERY AMPLIFIER (3lb Brass Weight on each inside Transformer)
Kimber Select 3035 Speaker Cable
ACOUSTIC ZEN ADAGIO

*PS-ALL components in the Listening Room, including my Decware Torii III/sold, SE84CS & CKC = were purchased new.

Yes, I have owned the Audio Alchemy Digital new, since 1995 & the LS 90's new since 1993. NO Redbook front end under 6K has beat my Audio Alchemy front end (I have had in-quite a few/and recently). The only thing I have found that can....is a 6K Esoteric Player.
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Sony as Transport
Illuminati D-60
Audio Alchemy DTI-Pro
Audio Magic Mystic Reference I2S
Audio Alchemy DDE 3.0
Kimber Select 1030
Zen Select #76
Kimber Select 3033
Polk Audio LS-90
Tri-config/TipToes & Vibropods underneath Speakers
360 degree Rm Treats
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Reply #817 - 03/02/14 at 21:50:51
 
Stone of Tone,
      Are you by chance able to hear them before purchase? I have a custom pair of 2 ways and comparing them with my 3-way polks and Pioneer HPM 100's I prefer the Polk setup over the 2 ways. I believe you have the mid base setup also they may work out with those running with them. I have the 2 way with 10" Aura subs integrated into the cabinet and my feelings for music they don't work the best for music but HT they are great. It seems even with the sub there is a lack of connection in the bass of the 2 ways to the sub a gap you might say they don't layer together as nicely I would like. Just my thoughts on 2 ways. I know different builders can make a difference but that has been my experiences with 2 way speakers. I know I've read 2 ways can actually sound much better than a good 3 way but so far have not come across a set that I could say that yep there right. Most have smaller woofers and leave a lot to be desired in the bottom end of the music. Integrating a more full bottom has always been a problem! I've read some of the reviews on these they spec out ok but would need to hear them in person to drop the bucks.




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Reply #818 - 03/02/14 at 23:17:09
 
If you are on the fence when it comes to ordering this Amp/ZMA. I would get on the Build Sheet. I would raise the price if I were Steve/and he will.

So, figure out what you're going to sell?!  Or, grow a pair and stand up to the better-half. My Pair(s) of Speakers...with this Amp are incredible. The Acoustic Zen Adagio's will take it to another level in Treble Extension with Musical Transparency.

Peace, Stone
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Polk Audio LS-90
Tri-config/TipToes & Vibropods underneath Speakers
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Reply #819 - 03/02/14 at 23:28:20
 
Hey Lars, I just might do that but I need to know first if I can have the treble cut circuit added. I need to have that on any Decware amp, it's the best option I could add.

I'm thinking about it, and the new PS Audio DAC. A lot of money, but I might be able to swing it if I come out of tax season unscathed.
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Reply #820 - 03/02/14 at 23:56:31
 
~36 hour ZMA update.

I listened to a lot of music last night.  The power, authority, and clarity of the music coming out of this thing just gives me perma-grin.  

I did not do any comparison with the torii3... I'll wait for a while until I'm thoroughly accustomed to the ZMA, then i'll put the Torii back in again and see if my first impression is Wow, or hmm, dull.  That will be telling.  (This is how I learned how fast the superzen was compared to the tori... it was when I switch back to the superzen that it blew my socks off).

So, my observations are the same as before.  it doesn't pitch up like the Torii...  There were only a couple cd's where I thought I'd want a treble cut.  Mostly it was just great.

It is still definitely apparent that some cd's sound great, some sound unlistenable.  The ZMA does not compromise.  garbage in, garbage out.  It will put a magnifying glass on your source in an unforgiving way.   if your source/cd is great. It will sound amazingly great.  If it's junk, you will cringe.  The Torii3 definitely treats bad cd's better.  I guess that's the price to play when it comes to this level of accuracy, honesty.  

I mentioned before a difference in how the volume level comes on with the zma and torii3.  Torii seems to get louder faster.  ZMA gets louder later on the volume knob, but it comes on strong and clean.  I think this and the transparency/clarity are what are responsible for my hearing more of the soft details and flaws in the music.  some songs that have very quiet intros before the music really starts... these things are clearly audible on the ZMA.  more so than on the Torii.  these same songs in my car... I can't hear the intro.  sounds like a long pause, then suddenly the music starts.  On the ZMA, I also hear more noise... tape hiss.  flaws in the original recording.  The ZMA is extremely revealing that way.  It will show you the ass hair of a gnat on a flower in a field.  it's amazing.  Good source material is a must.    I cringed on the bad cd's.

what confuses me is why I didn't realized such a big difference at decfest between the torii Mk4 and the ZMA.  I knew it was different, but I couldn't put my finger on it.  Of course it's easier to compare my ZMA to my torii3 on my speakers in my room. (because I'm accustomed it).  At decfest, I was comparing two unfamiliar things.   but, it could also be that the Torii4 (~30% better? (sharper?) than the torii3 according to Steve right?).  is more similar to the ZMA when running kt66's, etc.  maybe the decfest differences really were smaller.   I don't know.

You guys gotta do that torii3 torii4 zma shootout.  

So, the ZMA makes some of my music no fun... but makes some of it amazing beyond anything I've heard yet.  so far, I enjoy the trade off.


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Reply #821 - 03/03/14 at 00:25:24
 
See, this is what makes me feel I should stick with the Torii. I'm excited by the "liquidity" part of the reports of the ZMA but very worried about the "honesty." A large number of the large number of recordings I have are not good recordings. If the Torii "makes more of a bad cd," that is probably the right amp for me. I notice that Steve's designs get "sharper" and more revealing as the years go by, and those attributes don't bring me closer to "musicality" because I don't listen to audiophile recordings.

Slowly I've been seduced by these reports and the idea and design of the ZMA but if it is a lot less flexble than the Torii and there's no treble cut available for it (and on top of that it can have only one input). . . . I'm better suited with the Torii for my listening world.

And I do love my Toriis. I may love my oldest Torii more than the new one, still. It would be hard to part with either.

I need to step away from this thread for a while. Smiley
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Reply #822 - 03/03/14 at 00:42:39
 
I hear you Lon.

Yeah, I'm discovering all of this as I go and wondering... "do I like this? Or that?"  "Is this more important than that?"  

I forgot to say, Here's my component chain (no preamp).

pc>foobar2000 with wasapi(~bitperfect)>toslink>zdac>decware ics>ZMA>styx>HDTs>ears.

(when schiit finally comes out with their Yggdrasil DAC, I'm going for it.)

Anyway, I don't have anything in here to buffer the crud (handle less than optimal source material).   I haven't tried using a preamp to de-edge bad source, because I also subscribe to KISS, preferring minimal everything.    

But maybe that's the right thing for me downstream to get back the part of my cd collection that I "lose".

 

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Reply #823 - 03/03/14 at 00:53:24
 
Thanks for that info Steve.

I was long a proponent of the keep it simple syndrome. . . and for the longest time got by without a preamp but I finally needed to add more sources (getting a chance to move to the living room/dining room and to use it for video as well as audio service) and went with a CSP2. . . and now I feel that every source and amp is better with one of CSP preamps in front of it. It is still simple enough and there's so much benefit in the body and dynamics and tonal balance areas.

I've tried a few other preamps since I went with CSP2 and CSP2+s . . . I'll politely say all preamps are not created equal. Smiley
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Reply #824 - 03/03/14 at 01:00:36
 
      I didn't ask for arrogance while wanting to engage in conversation on this thread! I just asked a question to see if you personally heard the speakers sorry you took it whatever way you did no harm meant in my part just an observation I've had with some 2 way designs. As far as purchasing a ZMA I wouldn't need to sell a thing if I choose to do something on one of these amps nor would I need to grow any nuts to get it done. Further more I'm not really sure that an amp of this caliber would be necessarily what I would need to own to be perfectly happy with my sound. I have some thoughts about it as we are all gathering information. I have similar concerns as Lon's not much of my music is perfectly mixed and recorded and it may not in the end seem like a sound step up if all other things aren't equal in quality. The decision becomes just how far do I want to chase it. I've been around live music for years and mixing and recording and seen some of the best sound come from middle of the road equipment it became technique and synergy in the end.


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