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Re: Excellent Promo on PS Audio PWD
Reply #60 - 03/14/13 at 01:32:28
 
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Interesting. I guess some people want that. †I won't be sending mine back.


I'm keeping an open mind to it, from all the talk it seems like DSD is one (if not "the") best playback of digital files out there. †I'm in no rush though considering I have all of 1 SACD's and absolutely no DSD files on my PC/Server whatsoever ...

But if I was going to purchase a Network Player/DAC that costs as much as the PWD I would defintely be looking for DSD playback in its specs.
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Re: Excellent Promo on PS Audio PWD
Reply #61 - 03/14/13 at 02:38:24
 
Well I've had the PWD for close to two years now, and I have it because I don't want to have anything to do with digital files. Smiley I am not at all interested in computer audio, what I've heard hasn't really impressee me much, and rather than go that route, I'm moving toward vinyl and like my Redbook fine from the PWT/PWD duo, sounds really really good, on par with the SACDs I have. And frankly the much vaunted "convenience" doesn't mean much to me, and I have so many discs and am not frustrated with them. So I know I'm not the hip young dude with the cutting edge, but I'm happy.

It's good that they're moving in the DSD direction, and I bet their implementation will be interesting and excellent sounding. You're right, it wouldn't make sense to buy a streamer or network player without DSD now.
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« Last Edit: 03/14/13 at 12:57:26 by Lon »  

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Re: Excellent Promo on PS Audio PWD
Reply #62 - 03/14/13 at 14:05:47
 
beowulf advised:
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For anybody who's interested, I have just verified that the upcoming version of the PWD will bring DSD streaming via ethernet. †Also the current PWD MKII will be upgradeable, however it must be sent back to the factory for them to do it as it is a complicated procedure and requires a number of new components to be changed out.
I expect we won't see this for a little while, but I will have mine boxed up so fast for this........... DSD from the Mytek through the Ultra and Torii into the ERRs has just been amazing.
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Re: Excellent Promo on PS Audio PWD
Reply #63 - 03/14/13 at 16:08:24
 
beowulf, this is what PS Audio has released regarding their new phono preamp.

NuWave phono preamplifier.  NuWave half chassis (like the NuWave DAC).  Complete analog and digital phono stage - with both analog RCA or XLR Outputs, digital output can be selected as PCM or DSD output to feed a DAC directly.  Switchable digital input A/D converter can accept either turntable or standard line level and output high resolution PCM or DSD.  Target price $1195, summer 2013.  Currently in prototype phase.

No mention of whether this will have an HDMI output for I2S. . . that would be cool as there are two HDMI inputs on the PWD.
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Reply #64 - 03/15/13 at 06:15:37
 
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NuWave phono preamplifier. †NuWave half chassis (like the NuWave DAC). †Complete analog and digital phono stage - with both analog RCA or XLR Outputs, digital output can be selected as PCM or DSD output to feed a DAC directly. †Switchable digital input A/D converter can accept either turntable or standard line level and output high resolution PCM or DSD. †Target price $1195, summer 2013. †Currently in prototype phase.

No mention of whether this will have an HDMI output for I2S. . . that would be cool as there are two HDMI inputs on the PWD.


I bet the analog section will be pretty decent, however I just can't get over the fact that they want the capability to send the analog signal through an ADC - DAC †... All I can say is WTF, do those youngsters know the real reason that people are still spinning vinyl ... a format that's about 125 years old? Shocked

It makes me think of our previous conversation of why we found vinyl so soothing is that it's as close to a pure analog signal as possible and then PS Audio is not only converting it into digital, they are then de-converting it back to analog ... so they actually molest the purity 2x before it even hits your ears (provided somebody goes that route in their hookup)

Anyways, for that kind of money I think the ZP3 will be the best bet! † Smiley

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Reply #65 - 03/15/13 at 08:44:06
 
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DSD from the Mytek through the Ultra and Torii into the ERRs has just been amazing.


What port are you using for the DAC to NAS/PC? †USB or Firewire?
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Reply #66 - 03/15/13 at 11:58:31
 
Well, the way I see it this is a nice phono preamp for a mixed analog and digital system. The analog output I bet will be very similar to the previous GCPH, and that is a good warm and vivid sound. And then there's the ADC to allow manipulation and usage of the signal digitally, and allow the use of the signal in a nice matching component for those of their customers who have he PWD or NuWave DAC as a preamp, or anyone else using a DAC or DAC/preamp or receiver with DAC.

I'm not defending it per se and not interested in one, but it's aimed at being attractive to both the phono enthusiast with a digital preamp and the casual phono explorer who mainly wants to copy lps to share and/or listen to on the go. There are those guys out there, I know a few.

It's sort of like including DSD in any upcoming DAC--to not include a good ADC in the phono preamp cuts out some potential sales.

Anyway, that's the way PS Audio thinks these days, along the swiss army knife audio road.
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« Last Edit: 03/15/13 at 15:35:04 by Lon »  

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Re: Excellent Promo on PS Audio PWD
Reply #67 - 03/15/13 at 13:52:53
 
beowulf asked:
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What port are you using for the DAC to NAS/PC? †USB or Firewire?

Firewire. tried both, and while the USB interface is a bit more polished, I like the Firewire sound better. I also have a nice Oyaide 9/6 Firewire 800/400 cable that seems to work well. The Mytek then goes into the Zektor as one of its switchable inputs. Right now, the music library is on an external disk attached to a 2012 Mac mini. The player is Audirvana+; that means local control, which isn't horrible, but is a bit more kludgy I am definitely still going to want a network player for all files as I currently have for non-DSD with the PWD. So, the PS Audio upgrade path will be interesting [and makes that February promo fpor the PWD of $1995 a killer]. As I mentioned in another post, Lumin implemented their price increase, and I just don't see $5500 as the right price point.
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Reply #68 - 03/23/13 at 14:29:39
 
Just a brief update. I have a few new components I am going to be trying in my system: (1) the Lumin [don't get me started on pricing policies, but a close friend who tracks with me on this hobby pushed me hard to give it a try]; and (2) the Baetis Revolution media server.

The Lumin interests me as noted before for its ability to match the PWD's network playback and to play DSD. Its downside is that it is limited to 64x for the foreseeable future. If the Lumin works out, well, we will see. If it works out, then the Mytek can be placed in my headphone rig, which is about to get its new Taboo.

The Baetis is a very interesting device. I stumbled across it as I was looking for ways to make it easier to play and manage my growing BluRay library [a large part of which is BluRay audio]. Although it is possible, and not terribly difficult to rip BR discs, I would prefer to keep the originals intact and simply make it easier to play them. The Oppo 105 does a superb job of doing that, but then there is that disc-swapping thing, that grand chasm that so divides Lon and me in this mortal veil. Grin So, the Baetis will let me manage my BR library with the same facility as my DVD and audio library, maybe even better [and that's saying something for this Mac guy], and it may permit me to consolidate it all together. I spent fair bit of time writing and speaking with the developer. He hasn't yet had a chance to see how the Baetis will do serving files over Ethernet to network players like the PWD and Lumin, so we are both going to learn something here.

I am also going to investigate whether an Emotiva pre/pro can take the place of both my Outlaw & Zektor. It appears it can, due to the apparently well-engineered Emotiva Direct Audio mode. There is no question it appears to be a better, faster video signal switcher, but whether its audio switching is as good as the Zektor's superb passive relays remains to be heard. I won't know until I actually stick it in the system. A/B comparison will be impossible, and likely fruitless, so it will probably require a little attentive listening, some note taking, etc. But it would be great if I could consolidate two boxes.

[X_POSTING ALERT: I am also posting this info over in Home Theater.]
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Re: Excellent Promo on PS Audio PWD
Reply #69 - 03/25/13 at 12:25:38
 
Asked "what is everyone planning to play on a DSD DAC, are they all going to rip their SACDs and play the few downloads available?" Paul McGowan made an interesting response nine days ago:

DSD requests flood into our offices and we are working on a solution, long term though it is, and I too ask myself the same question. I suppose it's just the "I don't want to own something that isn't capable of the latest - should the latest ever come about" syndrome. It's all I can figure.

Further discussion in this thread: http://www.psaudio.com/forum/#/discussion/5070/what-new-products-do-you-want
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« Last Edit: 03/25/13 at 12:27:45 by Lon »  

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Reply #70 - 03/25/13 at 15:34:27
 
Yeah, as one of the people posting in that thread, I saw that. Of course if one always skates to where the puck is, one will miss the game. Wink And that is also what McGowan wrote, which I think is more important:
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I would argue that DSD is so much better that it's important for us as a market leader to support it in the hopes the music industry might come around.


There is no question that high resolution is always the name of the game. That was true when I was washing Sheffield Labs direct discs, and eventually, it tends to impact the larger consumer market. When CDs were first released, no one thought we would be downloading music in 20 years on to iPods, let alone hi-res DSD files.

As someone who already owns several hundred gigabytes of DSD, my answer is "yes, that is exactly what I am going to play." Inasmuch as Blue Coast cannot keep their Mytek units in stock, inasmuch as the $2500 exaSound e20 now processes 11.2mHz DSD, yes, that is exactly what is going to happen. It's like asking whether people are really going to switch from videotapes to DVD.
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Re: Excellent Promo on PS Audio PWD
Reply #71 - 03/25/13 at 15:40:06
 
Well, we'll see. I'm still not downloading and don't anticipate doing so, even DSD. So it's a moot point for me. I don't care either way really, I already have my library and don't need to expand to another format. I'm still not even equipted to make use of the hi-res possible with the PWT as I don't have a dvd burner and am not proficient with digital file making. Part of me would like to be, but I'm not able to go there right now and I'm fine without it.

If someone were wanting to keep up with the Jones and be on the audio cutting edge DSD would be necessary. But really. . . you are the few and proud.
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Reply #72 - 03/25/13 at 18:45:48
 
Lon, you know I understand where you are coming from. And I think it represents the likely majority view for audiophiles. I noticed in my inbox today an email from Drew Baird's company Moon Audio hawking the Mytek DSD DAC; BTW, I am not shilling for them, though I have been a happy customer for their headphone cables, but it's noteworthy. Drew and Moon are well known to the headphone and other audio communities. This could all be a fad, I suppose, but the DSD development has bordered on explosive. As it is, with a network DSD capability being added to my system tomorrow, my Mytek will now become the DAC for my Taboo and Audez'e headphones with a headless Mac mini and Audirvana+ as the player.. That will be a sweet quiet listening rig.
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Reply #73 - 03/25/13 at 18:53:23
 
I'm sure it will be. I know I'm an anomaly in some ways. It's just I've been reading for a decade about how SACD is a failed format, how DVD-A never took off. . . perhaps things will all be different because digital files are in use, and as someone who is not intrigued by computer audio I don't have a real sense of how deep the interest goes. Looking as an outsider at what I see on the 'net (and not having any friends into computer audio in an audiophile way) I see interest within the hardest core of those interested in audio quality, and shrugs from others. I'm all for it taking off, I hope it does, because it's always good for the whole audio picture.
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Reply #74 - 03/25/13 at 22:32:00
 
I'm enjoying this conversation. †There is not a lot of DSD files available right now and we don't know if it's going to take off, but if I was going to buy a DAC that costs over $1500 I would want that as an as an option just in case or go into my purchase knowing that it can be upgraded at a later time should the need arise. †And considering there are DACs on the market right now under $1000 that can playback those DSD files, when stepping up to a BIG GUN DAC like PS Audio PWD it should almost be a given.

As for DSD taking off ... well I'm unsure at this point if that will be the format that wins, however thereís no doubt in my mind that hi-res files are the future and while I donít see CD players going away anytime soon due to the legacy factor of people who own lots of titles in that format, but in my opinion when the dust clears it's going to be hi-res files and vinyl left. †Let's face it, PC based music playback has only been mainstream for a short while and can already best CD playback systems costing thousands more and we are just getting started.

Iíve read that companies like Linn don't even make CD players anymore (since something like 2010) and have been pushing their customers towards network/PC music playback for a while now. †As for me, I own less than 100 CDís and have ripped them all to my PC and never looked back and I seriously doubt that I will ever purchase another CD again Ö Iím a BIG FAN about the playback ease and performance of PC files, so all the music I plan on purchasing are going to be hi-res downloads and vinyl.

But DSD has obstacles that currently blocking it as a mainstream format including the fact the you need to be tech savvy, special hardware is needed (i.e. like a 1st gen PS3) to rip and store them and they take up a lot of space ... top that off with not many titles being available and well anybody's guess is as good as mine. †When I search for DSD downloads, I find mostly independent artists and labels (which is cool that artists are into the format). †But unless someone has been ripping SACDs with their PS3 and putting them on torrent downloads even then I'm not finding a lot of titles.

I own a couple SACDs and found one as a bit perfect DSD copy on a bit torrent site, I downloaded it and played it back using JRiver ... I wish I could say that it really made a difference, however my DAC is not up to snuff to differentiate DSD and regular FLAC. †But I am very interested in some critical listening to those types of files. †If more and more DACs start coming out with the feature it could give a push towards DSD as a more mainstream format, it should be interesting to see how this plays out.

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I'm still not downloading and don't anticipate doing so

Lon, I have to admire your conviction ... you have no interest and that's that, even though you have one of the BEST DAC's on the market that is setup to exploit PC/Networked based music playback in all it's glory Grin

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Just a brief update. I have a few new components I am going to be trying in my system: (1) the Lumin [don't get me started on pricing policies, but a close friend who tracks with me on this hobby pushed me hard to give it a try]; and (2) the Baetis Revolution media server.
PR, I would really enjoy hearing more about the Baetis AND the Emotiva (if you decide to go with those components) from what it seems the Emotiva is way more accessible than the Zektor when it comes to purchasing. †With all your gear swapping and techie stuff do you ever have time to listen to music? Grin
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