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Cap choices for Mk III
01/12/13 at 16:07:47
 
I see that there is an addition to the VCap option on the order page for the Torii MkIII, Beeswax. Does anyone have this amp with these caps installed, or heard it or know anything about these? It seems that they must be a viable option or Steve and team would not include them in the choices. I was just thinking of the stock Torii, and the Vcap burn in time seems too daunting (plus the $$$) but am I selling myself short by not investing in better/different cap and is the extra $$ worth it?
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Reply #1 - 01/13/13 at 00:50:19
 
I would be very interested in this myself.  I hope someone chimes in.  As of now I'm planning to save up for the Vcap but would like to know about the beeswax as well.  Are they a version of the jupiter used on the new Torii mono?
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Reply #2 - 01/13/13 at 10:45:42
 
I've had my eye on the Torii for quite some time now.

The beeswax Jupiter caps are a very new and recent option.

My guess is that the VCaps have an analytical sound whereas the Beeswax have a warmer tone. Either way, since tubes are involved, you should still be able to tinker with the end result via tube rolling.
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Reply #3 - 01/14/13 at 00:14:04
 
I did loads of research, and continue to. I finally decided on (and really like) NOS Russian KY40Y-9 paper in oil. Can't seem to take them out. If I recall correctly, first they were a bit "warm" for my tastes, but after about 50-100 hours they sound very musical to me without drawbacks. And I really like "warmth", but only if it is without detail loss. I am into the sense of players in the room, just a little softened by musicality.

I installed them floated on bluestick to damp vibration and found sound differences depending on distance and coverage of the material on the caps. The best seemed to be about 3/8 inch coverage, and 3/8 high. Got me, but my system/room is very revealing.

Many reviews say Vcaps are the most detailed and revealing, but find them a little coolish, others don't. Frankly I think speakers, other components, cables and room probably have a lot to do with this.

But I also prefer my favorite 7DJ8, 6DJ8 and 6922 over 6N1P which many prefer in there Torri MkIII...soooo.
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From Ebay today ...4X K40Y-9 NEW OLD STOCK 0.1 uf 630V RUSSIAN PAPER IN OIL CAPACITOR PIO .1
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Reply #4 - 01/14/13 at 07:27:13
 
Do those Russian caps sound great because they were naturally super Cryoed in Siberia?

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Seriously speaking,  
Thanks for sharing your insight.
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Reply #5 - 01/14/13 at 16:27:47
 
I am thinking so!
And you're welcome.
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Reply #6 - 01/16/13 at 03:08:24
 
Thanks for the input. I did some research and found the website for the caps in the big monos. I'll make that decision when the time comes to order the amp (just have to sell some gear first!!). Thanks all, GREAT forum!!
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Reply #7 - 01/16/13 at 18:04:31
 
The beeswax caps we choose as an option for the TORII MKIII are the cryo treated Jupiter HT caps.  People think these are going to be warm and cozy sounding caps but they are instead very fast and very neutral. They have higher resolution than the VCAPS and are more organic sounding.  Due to this increase in resolution some people will find the VCAPS easier to listen to on digital.  The Jupiter caps do not require the insanely long burn-in times of Teflon caps (VCAPS) and I honestly think with better sources, sound better than the VCAPS in this amplifier.  

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Reply #8 - 01/17/13 at 05:06:10
 
Steve- Thank you, very interesting compared to the VCaps. Since I mostly listen to vinyl, the Beeswax sounds like it might be the better path. When the cd play or Pandora is playing, I am usually not listening critically. Again, a great forum. Chris
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Reply #9 - 01/17/13 at 18:38:22
 
Steve,  the beeswax caps sound good to me also, as  I only listen to vinyl and FM on a modified/restored Tandberg 3001 (using my V-capped Torii III).

Once the weather warms up and I'm listening less often, I'll send the Torri III back to you, to switch from V-caps to the beeswax caps.  Maybe someone will have a use for my burned-in V-caps?? (2000 hours+).

Mike in Seattle area
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Reply #10 - 01/19/13 at 18:01:26
 
I am in for some Jupiters. Thanks for the input Steve!
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Reply #11 - 02/27/13 at 04:25:00
 
are the beeswax caps, for current TORII MKIII owners, available as an upgrade from Decware.....
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Reply #12 - 02/27/13 at 05:55:40
 
Yes, just got mines back.  Doing some break in.  Already sounds great.
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Reply #13 - 07/23/13 at 23:20:29
 
What is/are the values of those caps?
I might want to replace them when my torii arrives
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Reply #14 - 07/26/13 at 18:45:08
 
Mine are matched .10 uF (Jupiter Beeswax Paper HT) 600v from partsconnexion.

The Wimas that shipped with my Torii MkIII have this on the cap:
0.1
630-
400~

The Jupiter Beeswax Steve put in my Zstage continue to sound better. They started sounding good pretty quickly, but after a few hundred hours, they sound great...like not really there! Can't ask for more by my ears.

I have yet to put in the Jupiters in the Torii. The NOS Russian K40Y-9 Paper in Oil caps I have had in for the last year or so are sounding really good to me, so I feel no pressure, but I am excited to hear the Jupiter's in there and will get to them when I get some extra time.
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