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Re: Ingress Audio - Bearing Isolation Roller Blocks
Reply #60 - 12/13/12 at 23:04:09
 
Well, my next set arrived. I placed them under the CSP2+ replacing the Herbie's Audio Lab Tenderfeet there.

A disctinctly positive change to the sound. The root change seems to be a blacker background. Which means dynamics are a bit more pronounced and images a bit heftier. I'm going to order more.
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Re: Ingress Audio - Bearing Isolation Roller Blocks
Reply #61 - 12/16/12 at 13:23:05
 
I notice that like the Iso-Cups these roller blocks influence different sounds according to their placement. I have those under the speakers about an inch in from the back corners and about an inch and a half in from the front center, and under the CSP2+ two placed so that the outer edges are just at the chassie edge, and likewise in the center of the front chassis bottom.

I ordered four more sets, which should arrive around the new year. Planned placement is under my ZP3, my PWD Mk II, my PWT and my Denon DCD-A100. Sets of three. And then I'll decide whether to order a set of four for under the Torii. . . .
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Reply #62 - 12/16/12 at 17:40:06
 
That's awesome Lon. I have the same placement under my Dac. The tungsten bearings are a very subtle upgrade at best. Very hard to pick out the differences. I would stay with the steel bearings. I really want to try them under the Torrii as well, maybe over the holidays.
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Reply #63 - 12/16/12 at 19:18:57
 
Well, with these under the preamp I can say that these are better than the Herbie's Audio Lab Tenderfeet. The next batch will let me know if they are better than Iso-Cups under source components. That's a bit of a stiffer contest but I think they may win.

As I think you mentioned before, the Iso-Cups are so good under the Torii I'm loathe to move them out!
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Re: Ingress Audio - Bearing Isolation Roller Blocks
Reply #64 - 12/24/12 at 13:31:10
 
I received 1 set on Friday and was able to experiment a little over the weekend.  I found the component to benefit the most was my CSP2+.  I will definitely add another set either under my PWDmkII or Taboo.
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Reply #65 - 01/05/13 at 17:40:42
 
Just a quick note (my computer died while I was on vacation in Ohio and I'm having it repaired). . . .

I got three sets of the roller blocks and played around with placement. My general conclusions: four under a speaker or component sounds better than three; these sound better than Herbie Audio Lab Tenderfeet, but I still prefer the Isocups under the Torii by quite a bit, and under source components but a lesser bit.
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Re: Ingress Audio - Bearing Isolation Roller Blocks
Reply #66 - 01/07/13 at 19:53:17
 
Played around with all my isolation components some more. . .

I love these rollerblocks for speakers. I have them under the speakers in both my systems now. But. . . I've removed them from under components in the main system because I feel that even the Herbie's Audio Lab Tenderfeet work a bit better for me, and the Iso-Cups even more so. (My situation with my CSP2+ and ZP3 may be a bit different than others as I'm using really thick PS Audio power cables (AC-12) and they need a firmer, less jiggly, footer as the angle of the cord tends to pull on the component).

It's been fun playing around with these. They now are under most components in my second system.
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Re: Ingress Audio - Bearing Isolation Roller Blocks
Reply #67 - 01/10/13 at 15:35:15
 
Got a notice from Ingress Audio Engineering that they are now shipping with one of the blocks featuring a recessed groove and O-ring.
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Reply #68 - 01/11/13 at 16:44:42
 
Thanks orangecrush & Lon for your great input on this product! I look forward to trying them....and affordable.  -Stone
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Re: Ingress Audio - Bearing Isolation Roller Blocks
Reply #69 - 02/24/14 at 22:35:44
 
Well, I eventually found I did not prefer these under components in comparison to the Herbie's Audio Lab Iso-Cups, and though they may work a bit better under my CSP2+s and ZP3 the way I have these set up they move about too much and I have gone back to using Herbie's Audio Lab Tall Tenderfeet there.

But under speakers? The Roller Blocks rule. I have them under all three sets of Decware speakers in use in my house and Dad's. And this week I decided to try to place large Herbie's Audio Lab Grungebuster Dots between the speaker and the top of the Roller Blocks. This has been a positive change and I'm keeping it for a while.

Man twenty years ago I would have thought I was nuts playing around with isolation control products, but I find they make a difference and I like this as much as tube-rolling, sometimes more.
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Reply #70 - 02/24/14 at 23:10:59
 
I agree 100% Lon. Under speakers there is nothing better. The only component I have them under is my very heavy BPT-1 balanced isolation transformer. But they are threaded in. No sure how much difference I can tell in that application.

Iso-cups sound best under my Torii.

I am trying those Waipuna myrtle wood feet under my DAC and so far I like them.
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Reply #71 - 02/25/14 at 01:10:23
 

Are any of you using these on carpet? Or all wood floors?

I've got cheap spikes on the Herbie's Giant Gliders because I've got thick berber carpet and padding, and I honestly wasn't wow'd...except that they are super easy to adjust with the gliders! LOL
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Reply #72 - 02/25/14 at 01:22:27
 
Interesting, looked those Waipuna up. Look as if they would be too lively for my system, both brass footers and myrtlewood footers have seemed that way in my system when I've tried them. But if they work they are certainly affordable.

Eric,
Yes, I've been using mine on carpeted floors. Works fine: the weight of the speakers flattens the carpet under the bottom piece and then the top piece floats on the bearing. I like what adding the Grungebuster does.
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Reply #73 - 02/25/14 at 01:28:06
 
Mine are on laminate floors.

Lon, yes they do tend to be a bit lively under other components, especially with tubes. But I really like under my solid state DAC. They seem to bring some organic like smoothness without any dulling or damping if that makes any sense.
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Reply #74 - 02/25/14 at 01:33:01
 
Oh that makes sense. Brass and myrtlewood were both too lively for me under SS source components in the past. I find the black Iso-Cup bases with the Deep Moss Quartz gemstone balls give the just the right balance for me, I'm sticking with 'em. Smiley
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