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Re: Psvane 12AT7
Reply #15 - 11/14/12 at 16:40:52
 
The possibilities are so endless! Because "upgrades" can come in different forms from isolation and power changes, mastering choices of the software material, room treatment. . . even improving one's listening skills. All of which can lead you back to . . . speculating about tubes and rolling some. . . .;)

My late wife's brain spun with endless speculation and though it did bring her benefits, I also know she hardly ever relaxed, hardly ever just let input to her senses flow over and into her without analysis and in many ways. . . anguish. Being with her definitely influenced me and pulled me in that direction and I've made a conscious effort to keep a restraint, a limit on the extent if that makes sense. Sometimes tube-rolling pushes me in the direction I'm trying to avoid.  Knowing myself, I'm glad I have the Torii in the main system and have pretty much ended my tube speculation for that component.

Listening to the system right now I say to myself "Sounds so good, don't mess with anything." Yeah, just days before my ZP3 will arrive, which I predict will be a game-changing component! Smiley
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« Last Edit: 11/14/12 at 16:41:36 by Lon »  

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Re: Psvane 12AT7
Reply #16 - 11/14/12 at 23:49:36
 
I love the flexibility offered by my Torii Mk III, but don't need all the tube options and possible sound offered in the Mini-Torii. .  . . Just makes me queezy thinking of missing out on a possible fantastic sounding combo just because I hadn't exhausted all possibilities. And I'd rather relax and listen to the music than spend all that time trying out all possible tube combinations.

That is a sure trip to insanity.  ;D Been there. Personally, I am just going to keep it simple. I got a pair of test NOS Tung Sol original 6V6's and the new issue sounds better to me. Before the amp arrived I got a pair of Pope 6V6's from Upscale Audio..nice but the new issue TS and Gold Lions sound better to me. I am done with power tubes unless a bargain pops up.

The Psvanes 12AT7's are the most $$$ small signal tubes I have ever bought but they were still cheaper than some NOS. I did not have any 12AT7's in my small collection so I had to try a few different ones but I am not going to try everything out there. The goal is enjoying music, not perpetual tube rolling. I am not pounding the table about the Psvanes. I'm just happy to see excellent new production small signal tubes.
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Re: Psvane 12AT7
Reply #17 - 11/15/12 at 00:29:15
 
Sure, Les, agreed.  But, just imagine a relationship in which, once in a while, you want to add some spice into, by a change of scenery, a weekend out or something along those lines, just to break up the routine.  You should never over do it, just enjoy the sporadic excitement of the change itself.  

Rolling a tube or two every now and then is how this little amp can keep your interest forever, as opposed to be thinking in the newest amp models comig out all the time.

We should not get obsessed with it, but spicing things up now and then will help us all enjoy our hobby even more.  I think this platform provides the perfect means to renew our relationship with it, indefinitely.
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Re: Psvane 12AT7
Reply #18 - 11/15/12 at 01:17:16
 
Says the guy who hasn't rolled a tube ! ! Smiley

Just playing. I tell you, I am so happy with the Torii that I don't need to spice it up and I have coveted no other amp!

I think it's not universal, some owners love to roll, some are less prone. I know where I fall in that spectrum.
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Re: Psvane 12AT7
Reply #19 - 11/15/12 at 01:57:31
 
That's right, Lon.  I also haven't gone to the moon yet, but I bet is a long journey there ...  :)

Seriously, I understand your position.  That's just fine.  I'm not the least interested in rolling tubes per se, either, just to have some additional fun, now and then.

I'm saying once I've initially settled for a few working tube sets that I enjoy the most out of a fixed (very limited) initial number of alternatives, I think it would be nice to try a few additional tubes over time, just for the thrill of it.


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Re: Psvane 12AT7
Reply #20 - 11/15/12 at 02:13:45
 
Sure I understand. For me that's so. . . 1991. Smiley

I'd rather get more music new to me to listen to, in general, than futz with the tubes and general sound. I apparently can't get enough. .. I keep finding more. Just bought another batch of great 3 dollar jazz lps from one of my jazz bulletin board pals.

But we're all different. Than again, you may find that you don't roll tubes much, my earlier point is. . . you don't know yet exactly how you're going to react to rolling tubes, and there other ways to alter the signature too to play with.
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Re: Psvane 12AT7
Reply #21 - 11/15/12 at 10:13:34
 
" ... and there other ways to alter the signature too to play with."

That's correct, and I intend to at least try most of them, in due time.  Aspiring for the best sound to enhance the music listening experience is an essential part of this hobby, in my view.  

I think there must be a critical path for an optimal, steady and gradual upgrade succession within one's own budget constraints.  I intend to get as close as possible to that efficient evolution path.  

I'm aiming at this by limiting trial-and-error experiences through some previous analytical screening.  Tube-rolling is just part of this endeavor and the Mini offers an easy introduction to it.

No obsessions, just a passion for music at its best ... I truly share your love for music, Lon, although we may go about it in different ways.   Smiley
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Re: Psvane 12AT7
Reply #22 - 11/15/12 at 11:39:30
 
And I recognize and enjoy your enthusiasm for this new realm of tubes, I remember how it used to have me in its grip.

You have lots of fun ahead, as do all of us with these excellent, revealing machines.
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Re: Psvane 12AT7
Reply #23 - 11/15/12 at 22:32:56
 
Rolling a tube or two every now and then is how this little amp can keep your interest forever, as opposed to be thinking in the newest amp models coming out all the time.

Agreed...and reading too much into posts on the net, especially mine, can lead to insanity.  ;D



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Re: Psvane 12AT7 MKII
Reply #24 - 11/19/12 at 23:16:09
 
I received a pair of the Psvane MKII 12AT7's today. It is a new and improved tube...so says Psvane. I just plugged them in they sound very good. I got 'em on fleabay from seller Salience. They were sent USPS from China and they arrived in about ten days. Price was $79 shipped for the pair. More after they settle in...but I can tell they are keepers.
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Re: Psvane 12AT7
Reply #25 - 11/20/12 at 00:18:44
 
Excellent find, Les.  I wonder how come USPS takes only 10 days from China and forever down here?  Go figure!  Enjoy your new drivers.
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Reply #26 - 11/20/12 at 03:01:21
 
The pair I got from Grant were sent registered mail. These were just in the mail box when I got home. I have sent items to Italy and their postal system is a mess. Maybe Panama takes lessons from Italy?

I have only seen these MKII tubes on fleabay.

Hope that box gets to you soon. I can request a trace after 30 days. The PO will figure it out but I am sure the issue is on your end.
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Reply #27 - 11/20/12 at 03:34:06
 
I agree, Les.  I was afraid of this since the beginning.  I just sent you an email with some alternatives.

As a side note, I lived several years in Italy and never confronted this problem, and I really used the mail over there.  Difference is night and day.  It may not have the same standards as in the US, but at least in my experience the postal service was reliable.  The only risks there were strike-related delays (unfortunately, these may be pretty common).
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Re: Psvane MK II 12AT7
Reply #28 - 12/01/12 at 22:27:45
 
The MKII Psvanes are quite good too. I have a good selection of NOS, which I will still use occasionally, but these are indeed excellent and all around better, top to bottom, than anything I have tried in the Mini.

I have not really compared them to the older ones but me likes 'em both.  ;D
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Reply #29 - 12/02/12 at 14:39:16
 
Great!  Another good (though somewhat expensive) alternative.  

On a side note, I read from the Torii MKIII notes that the 6N1P-Ev that I have in the Mini Torii is 'warmish' compared to an equivalent 6922, which is also 'faster.'  Since the latter are also quite cheap (russian), they may be of help in my case, I wonder.

Of course, the ideal would be the Psvanes due to their better sonic attributes.
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