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Re: New Super Zen vs. Zen Select
Reply #30 - 11/24/12 at 11:09:47
 
I thought the power supply was changed to accept this tube rectifier RR. I will try a different rectifier to see  if the 5u4 is a less volitile choice . sound  permitting of course. Lon I'm trying the 5y3gt ,i believe you recommended in another post in the csp2+ I have a couple RCA  black plates........Going back to the 274 ,Steve didn't seem too confident with this tube in his writing of it . wonder if he did this to satisfy the tweaker in us all. Or does it really sound better with it!!!!!!!? It is impressive looking!!!!!!!!!
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Re: New Super Zen vs. Zen Select
Reply #31 - 11/24/12 at 13:12:36
 
I've tried 5U4G, that Valve Art 274B and 5Y3GT tubes as rectifiers in the CSP2+ and I clearly, definitively prefer the 5Y3GT tube in that circuit, it's the most accurate and natural sounding to my ears in my system.
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Reply #32 - 11/24/12 at 16:05:01
 
Thanks Lon . I'm listening to the superzen now with the 5u4 Shuguang . looks to be the same tube ,double getter and all ,without the big glass bottle. have to asylum these tubes or something to do a comparison read.
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Reply #33 - 11/24/12 at 16:53:38
 
Right, Steve has written that he considers them the same tube mechanically with the bigger bottle vacuum of the 274B giving it its bigger bolder sound (which is too big and bold for me, would be better for me if it were warmer, but big bold and--for my system--lean is not a good combination for me in the Torii, and big and bold just doesn't seem right in the CSP2+. Others like it though, in the Torii at least.
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Re: New Super Zen vs. Zen Select
Reply #34 - 11/24/12 at 18:59:46
 
We compared the Valve Art '274B' and the Valve Aart 5U4G up there at
DECFEST and found them to be identical internally.
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Reply #35 - 11/25/12 at 11:22:02
 
Lon and Rivieraranch, I agree with you both even though I didnt review the csp2+with the 5y3gt ,I have one ready to go in my other system . I'll have to use the beyer 770's to do that. as far as the 274vs 5u4 ,identical except for the bottle,has dual getter and all. reinstalling the 274 I found it doesnt flash like it did before, maybe a seating problem. Of course I'm writing this at 5:00 am EST, and just did that reinstall, power clean at this time in the morning. I'm trying to look for another word than organic that Steve used to describe this superzen,but can't. doesnt seem like you have to look for that magic hour either.This is one more thing I like about Decware ,he(Steve) takes the products he has and improves upon them . He could have came out with a new model,charged double and did very little or nothing to improve the sound. As I write this I'm sitting with my back turned to my system and Hear things never heard before at a very low volume, there's less strain listening, . I know you guys have the TORII, (the big room superzen)!
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Reply #36 - 11/25/12 at 14:22:14
 
I'd love to hear your impressions of the 5Y3GT in the CSP2+ one day.
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Reply #37 - 11/25/12 at 15:14:43
 
Skylab (Rob) over at HeadFi has posted extensive impressions of the CSP2+ with a 5Y3GT tube.
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Reply #38 - 11/25/12 at 15:28:29
 
Okay. But that is not what I want to read, I'd like to hear what j thinks and feels. Smiley

I have done some reading at headfi and here and it seems that most that love to use the 5U4G and 274B rectifiers in this preamp are using 6922 or 6DJ8 type input tubes. I've never been comfortable with the sound of these tube types in Decware components and don't keep any on hand, but I think my preference for the 5Y3 tube type may be because I am using 6N1P tubes in all three sockets of the CSP2+. One day I may pop in 6922s and play about again. . . but every time I have done so in the past, I put 6N1Ps back in. . . .
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Re: New Super Zen vs. Zen Select
Reply #39 - 11/26/12 at 03:19:25
 
Perhaps J. would like to read what Rob (Skylab) wrote?
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Reply #40 - 11/26/12 at 10:51:13
 
I'm going to do both,because we are not the final word in what things sound like ,however theres no room to contend with when listening to headphones and the beyer 770, which Steve uses are very good . better than I thought possible. so let me do both. Of course I'm going to have to use the zcd on the csp2+Taking the superzen out of the system. I'll do this today and do a serious comparison of the rectifiers.love this challenge!!!!!!!!!
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Reply #41 - 11/26/12 at 13:25:22
 
You know I didn't find much worth reading from Skylab. He seems to have popped them out fast for other rectifiers.

For me the other types just don't have the accurate naturalness in the CSP2+ and perhaps it's because I use 6N1P tubes.

Anyway, curious to hear your impressions J. Thanks.
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Reply #42 - 11/28/12 at 12:30:16
 
I listened to the csp2+ with the 5y3gt rectifier and it is veeeeeeery good . going to listen more today then change just rectifier to a 5u4 ,and then to 5ar4 . Dont know if I can install a 274b in this ?????? will have to use the 274 out of the superzen since it is brokein .
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Re: New Super Zen vs. Zen Select
Reply #43 - 11/28/12 at 12:44:03
 
I'm glad you like the 5Y3 in the CSP2+ . . .  as I've said over and over that's the only one that works for me as far as accurate tonality and soundstage.

Thanks for letting me know!

You should be able to use the 274B in the CSP2+.
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Reply #44 - 11/29/12 at 16:16:04
 
Question for lon what brand 5y3gt are you using ,as there are so many ?
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