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Re: Computer Audio - Music Server
Reply #15 - 08/30/12 at 16:07:58
 
One way to go wireless and control by iPad is the PS Audio PerfectWave DAC Mk II with Bridge. This would give you drool-inducing sound. But is likely far more expensive than you'd like to pay. . . .
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Reply #16 - 08/30/12 at 17:17:44
 
Maddog,
You can use JRiver media player, they have a app that allows you to use your Ipad for a remote control.
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Reply #17 - 08/30/12 at 17:58:44
 
I am willing to pay for performance - to a point.  I've been on the audiofool merry-go-round for about 30 years now.  I've been to Levinson-land and back more than once - I hate to admit!  Which, btw, is how I found Decware - trying to get off the train-to-nowhere for good this time.  

Anyway, I recently purchased the Wyred4Sound DAC2... which is the first DAC/player, at any price, that I've personally heard that exceeds the performance of my late 90's/early 2000's vintage Theta Digital gear which cost far more back then when I bought it than the Wyred DAC does now.  The Wyred was intentionally acquired with the intent to serve as a digital input hub, spdif, usb, etc.  In retrospect I think it might have been smarter to get a good pre/pro that could accept multi-channel digital audio in any format and a player like an Oppo for a silver disc spinner.  Which BTW, I just discovered the Oppp 93 & 95's models can have external hard drives attached to them and can network to a PC and music stored there.  I am definitely going to research this in more depth asap.  Here we go again already -  stepping back on the merry-go-round.

It has been my experience, in the past 3 years or so, that the gap between good to great digital playback/sound & the very best obtainable at any price has grown increasingly narrow - the 80/20 rule for digital might be more like 90/10 now.

I am a strong proponent of the PS Powerplants and their power cords and own both and consider them "essential" components at this point.  However, I  have never owned any of PSA's source gear, preamps or power amps.  I have heard the all PSA systems at RMAF numerous times in PSA's room, but have never auditioned any in my own room.  I have kindof kept an eye on the PW DAC for quite some time now.  But I have never had a chance to hear it since its availability in brick-n-mortar stores for demo seems to be very limited - at least within reasonable driving distance in my area per PSA's dealer locator webpage.  Also, and this is just my opinion, and it is just an "opinion"(no negativity intended or implied), it appears McGowan & Co. are trying to take the PW DAC and the entire PS line "uptown", as the MK.II version with bridge is now $4790.  At this point, I think it has far exceeded the "good value" point on the ladder.  And I just don't think it is necessary to spend this much $$$ to get great digital sound anymore.  Of course, each individuals mileage may vary on this point.

you wouldn't be bringing your PW DAC to Zenfest this year would you?  I'd bring my Wyred - would be great to hear and compare and contrast the two.
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Reply #18 - 08/30/12 at 19:51:08
 
I'm not coming to Decfest and if I were to come it would be on two wheels, not the way to travel with gear. I only own a motorcycle and I take at least one long trip a year from Texas to Ohio to visit my folks, but I "travel light."

I've discovered that with my Decware amp, preamp, and speakers the front end is very ruthlessly revealed and the best I can feed it is the best sound I can get. I have the PWD and I have a PS Audio phono preamp, and I think both are excellent. The DAC was not as expensive when I bought it and I updated to Mk II late but I find it excellent. Personally I've not really liked the Oppo players I've heard, and I've never been inclined to own one. I've had two Decware players and the PWD is much better than they are. I'm sure there are better players but I shudder to think what their costs are. I decided to try the PWD for a month "trial" and never sent it back, it's the most analog like I've heard digital and I'm very happy. The upgrade is icing on the cake. (I also have the Transport from PS Audio and that and the PWD are meant to work together, and they certainly do, very very well).Also mine is an audio and visual system combined, and the PWD allows me great sound, switching and volume and balance control for three sources (and the remote controls the Premier).

I noted that it is expensive, but I intend to have this for years and I'm very happy with it. I have ZERO interest in streaming, digital files, etc. I just want to spin my discs, of which I have probably more than you'd imagine, and the PWD has really served my needs and exceeded my expectations. With the Bridge it would do what you want to do. I just decided myself that I would get the best front end that I could afford and do the Decware products proud the way they should be, and I'm glad I did.

Best of luck!
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Reply #19 - 08/31/12 at 23:55:42
 
anybody have a Sonos system (the Sonos "Connect" component it looks like is what is needed) in use as a Music Server between their PC and DAC and controlling it wirelessly with an iPad, iPhone or Android device?
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Reply #20 - 09/04/12 at 18:35:14
 
I guess not? bump...?

I went to a local brick-n-mortar that installs Sonos systems this past weekend.  This is the best deal I've seen yet.  You only need the Sonos Connect box and a NAS drive connected to your router, download the iPad app. and you're in business with wireless control of your own music server - your computer doesn't even have to be turned on to use the system after you load your music on to the NAS!!!!
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Reply #21 - 09/15/12 at 10:54:09
 
Anybody heard of or checked out Baetus Audio?  This looks like a pretty good system using JRiver software, and the website as a whole has a lot of good pointers on what to look for in an audio server when buying or building.

Home Page: http://baetisaudio.com/

Excellent Article: http://baetisaudio.com/PDF/WhybuyaWindows-basedaudiophilecomputer.pdf

The Beatis setup is not a full blown PC though, it is limited to A/V server type activities such as streaming Netflix, Rip, Store and Playback Blu-Rays and Music and stuff like that, but I don't think you could use it in place of a PC that you would want to check email, or write a Word document, etc.  In fact, I don't think it even has Hard Disk storage, but rather you would use it with an NAS or another type of external HDD.

But I still think think it is a pretty good value compared to a lot of other servers like Sooloos, Kaleidescape, Olive and others along that line.
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Reply #22 - 09/15/12 at 11:03:05
 
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I went to a local brick-n-mortar that installs Sonos systems this past weekend.  This is the best deal I've seen yet.  You only need the Sonos Connect box and a NAS drive connected to your router, download the iPad app. and you're in business with wireless control of your own music server - your computer doesn't even have to be turned on to use the system after you load your music on to the NAS!!!!


If you get a Sonos, you should check out the Wyred4Sound mod for it ... I heard a lot of great feedback on it.

http://www.wyred4sound.com/webapps/category/74030/117839/46317

I'm not sure what your budget is, but if you buy the Sonos from W4S the total is $890.00 (that include the Sonos and Mod), if you already have the Sonos you can send it to them for the Mod only and it costs $550.00
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Reply #23 - 09/15/12 at 12:46:25
 
DECWARE can be the end of the line. Once you've reached audio nirvana you don't want to go anywhere else.
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Reply #24 - 09/15/12 at 14:28:47
 
beowulf,
The Beatis looks interesting, but I have to wonder what it has over a PC with Jriver loaded in it? $600 will buy you a lot of PC, $50 will buy you JRiver, $100 will buy you a external hard drive. From what I see, that is what the Beatis consists of. Maybe the fancy solid aluminum faceplate is the selling point.
I always go back to my thought that everyone is overthinking the whole computer audio thing. All you need is a computer, a DAC, a Decware amp and Decware speakers. Simple and reasonably priced.
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Reply #25 - 09/16/12 at 02:05:46
 
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The Beatis looks interesting, but I have to wonder what it has over a PC with Jriver loaded in it? $600 will buy you a lot of PC, $50 will buy you JRiver, $100 will buy you a external hard drive. From what I see, that is what the Beatis consists of. Maybe the fancy solid aluminum faceplate is the selling point.

I always go back to my thought that everyone is overthinking the whole computer audio thing. All you need is a computer, a DAC, a Decware amp and Decware speakers. Simple and reasonably priced.


Donnie,

I agree, this is just something that is ready to go and specifically for use a Media Center.  Some things I like about it are that unlike a regular PC, it doesn't have alot of apps going in the background and there is no special sound or graphics cards. It let's the processor and ram do it's thing and passes DSP onto the DAC and/or Preamp Processor to do their things.

The specs are pretty simple if one were to build one themselves.  I have built a few PC's in my time and find it very easy to do.

Specifications (http://baetisaudio.com/ourproducts.html):

All of our machines are custom-built. Baetis Revolution™ has the following features:

  • Case: all aluminum, 9.5” W x 10” D x 4.25” H, black or silver

  • CPU: Intel Core i3 processor with Intel integrated audio and HD2000 integrated video (the faster Core ix processors and integrated video are not needed, and just generate more heat, when you are using a quality DAC and/or pre-pro)

  • RAM:  8G DDR3 1300

  • 128G Solid State Drive

  • Blu-ray combo drive:  reads and writes CDs and DVDs; reads blu-ray discs  (note that we do NOT supply blu-ray playing software since we expect the user to rip the disc and store it before playing it).

  • Ethernet port
    4 USB 2.0 outputs in the rear, 2 in the front
    2 USB3.0 outputs in the rear
    1 eSATA output in the rear
    1 HDMI (latest hi-def version) output in rear
    1 custom-built digital BNC audio out (see the cable types you will use in photo)
    1 Toslink optical digital audio out
    1 RCA digital audio out
 
  • Windows 7 Professional (64-bit) – or Win 7 Ultimate

  • JRiver Media Center 17.


It's just a standard machine, but they add some "Pulse™ isolation transformer" and a few other do-dads like isolated BNC S/PDIF outputs.  It's almost all passively cooled which I think is pretty important to reduce sound interference.

The only thing I would do differently is maybe add a few solid state drives for more space.
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Reply #26 - 09/16/12 at 02:55:08
 
beowulf,
Yep, solid state drives are the only way to go. As far as optimising the PC you need Fedelizer, a free program that shuts everything in you computer down that it doesen't need to play music. I run mine in the extreme mode, it goes as far as turning off my security program and diables the clock.
Oh, by the way, nice Bonnie. I really had to blow up your picture to see the 2 throttle cables.
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Reply #27 - 09/16/12 at 07:06:31
 
Donnie, thanks for the program Fedelizer, I'll check it out.

LOL, good eye on the bike!  I love me some sixties era Triumphs ... I have another Triumph that I'm building into a Bobber/Custom ... it's lovingly called "The Basket Case" since all of the parts to it at this point can fit in a shopping cart Smiley
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