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Re: how good is a se84c+
Reply #15 - 07/30/12 at 03:13:41
 
Interesting observations.  I can follow what you're describing.  I have not heard the Zen, but the Mini Torii sounds so good, I'm just curious how can anything be better, other things being equal, of course.  

Believe it or not, I have not yet used the treble control, as I've honestly never felt the need, so far.  I've also noticed the volume seems to grow exponentially with the volume pot dial (not linearly), so that between 1:00 and 2:00 o'clock, it changes dramatically, both in SPL as well as dynamics and sheer presence.  I very rarely go that high (usual range is between 11:00 & 1:00 o'clock), but when required, it sure delivers, without any apparent distortion issues.

Great little amps both of them, indeed.  Thanks for the feedback.
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Re: how good is a se84c+
Reply #16 - 07/30/12 at 12:09:54
 
this is very interresting to hear the different comments,of this amp and its brothers. RR i understand your take on the taboo now. for years i was told that you needed alot of power to get the bass you needed out of an amp. i look at my se84c+and  I'm just amazed how this amp sounds with so few components, from the lowest bass to the highest high frequencies. I and a friend who both have torii"s agree that theres something about the zen se84c+ thats simply better. maybe i'll get alot of flack from this . this is just something we both agree on . call it euphony or older ears . loved those single driver philco radios from the days of old , which alot of these amps find their origin... Smiley
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Re: how good is a se84c+
Reply #17 - 07/30/12 at 14:44:55
 
Having just sold my Mini Torii and kept the SE84C+, I can say I was very surprised by the SE84 ZEN! I'd had the Torii for a few months before finding the used ZEN, and with all of the tube rolling capabilities of the Mini I thought it would win easily, but the little ZEN amp is just amazing in the imaging department. I think Riviera Ranch's earlier comparison is spot on; but for me the magic imaging of the SE84C+ wins, and freed up funds from the sale of the Mini for other projects.

One day I'll probably pick up another ZEN to try out bridged mono.

I don't think you can go wrong with anything from the Decware stables.
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Reply #18 - 07/30/12 at 16:41:06
 
The Bendix 6094 (with adapters) is one alternative to SV83 or EL-84. Interesting sound, and quite good! Only a few hours on these tubes so far, but very promising. Amazing construction!

I've found EL-84 (and the 6094) don't like the 274B rectifier but sound very good with a 5U4.



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Re: how good is a se84c+
Reply #19 - 07/31/12 at 11:45:47
 
Never heard the C+ but am still enamored with my 10 year old Select. It recently put my girlfriend in a trance. Also, when she saw the amp she said, "it looks like some sort of machine". She never heard tube audio before - nor ever heard of tubes - but when I played some Loreena McKennit, James Taylor, and meditation music through the system, she literally stood there dumbfounded and said the proverbial "it's like they are in the room". After she sat down, I played Marina Raye's Blissful Journey and my girlfriend (who is Buddhist) crossed her legs in the chair and began to meditate. Talk about "Zen"!



I've had an urge to add a bit more power to my system (either the Mono's or a Torii III) but am not sure at the moment. Not sure how they would mate with my 2 ohm Parker 95's. I was thinking of adding an HSU ULS-15 sub to add more base extension then decide after that what to do.

I am open to suggestions.... I have also kept my eyes open for the older Zen Monoblocks but they don't seem to come up often for sale as in the past.

A testament to Steve and his work. Even makes non-audiophiles standup and listen. They know something special is going on....
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Re: how good is a se84c+
Reply #20 - 07/31/12 at 14:54:25
 
A ten year old Select. Ah. . .the well-seasoned Decware amp. These amps I think get better and better the longer they're in use!

Thanks for sharing the lovely photo and your girlfriend's impressions. I know you'll keep enjoying the music with this fine amp. I don't think you need to change amps. . .I bet you really don't need a bit more power. Adding a sub may be the ticket to help the Select. The SE84 amps have a magic that the others don't. . . I think you should stick with the Select until/unless you're in a situation where you need more than a little more power.
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Re: how good is a se84c+
Reply #21 - 08/01/12 at 03:07:40
 
Great story!

If you get the HSU, please let us have your impressions. They sound like they are nice subs, and with the Parker's stopping at 55 or so, seems this would bring notable weight and depth to your system. Is the Zen loud enough otherwise in your system?

Might be awesome to find another seasoned one to bridge with it.

Have fun!
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Re: how good is a se84c+
Reply #22 - 08/01/12 at 06:36:11
 
When you find a second Zen amp; BUY IT!
I very much enjoyed my Zen amp for quite some time already now, driving my fully modified Klipsch La Scala's. Out of curiosity I bought the second one only a few days ago when it was up for sale local. Both units are 10 years old and like described earlier they make even more "magic" when used as mono's.
It's not for the extra power; my LS have a efficiency of 104Db/1W so even a single Zen delivers more than enough power for adequate listening levels.
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Re: how good is a se84c+
Reply #23 - 08/01/12 at 10:52:36
 
Thanks guys! I'm leaning towards the sub and may try that first. It's supposedly a very musical sub so I don't think it's money waster. I do get some considerable volume on some material and the base extension on the Parker's is pretty respectable but based on Steve's paper on subwoofers, the sub might be the ticket to add that extra dimension.

My Select is no longer stock as I had it modded by Eddie Vaughn back in '07 so I can't mate it with another vintage Select to bridge as a monoblock as there will be a component mismatch.

If afterwards I feel I need more power, I may revisit either getting two SE84C+'s or the SE84ZS monos. I may also consider the Torii (whole different design i know).

How would those amps fare with the 2 Ohm load of the Parker's?
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Re: how good is a se84c+
Reply #24 - 08/02/12 at 22:47:51
 
The SE84C+ is so good it could make a peach grow more hair; could make ice cubes without water or make a plane fly without fuel. At least that is the way I feel about it.
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Re: how good is a se84c+
Reply #25 - 08/08/12 at 11:39:13
 
Wow so many comments on this amp. I feel the best one is ." It doesnt matter which Decware amp you buy " they are all that good . I have an old select , black, serial number 249 ,which looks to have the CCE mod. Great!!!   the biggest thing ive done to get an enormous amount of gain however , was to buy the ZCD200i , 5 volts output ,once broken in (which takes awhile) is as good or better than ANYTHING out there,again in a small room . If you have a large room the Torii family will do the best job. hey I'm preaching to the choir. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Smiley
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