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Hello, and some questions...
06/09/12 at 04:45:59
 
Hello: I am a pianist and lover of good sound, but am on a tight budget. I've also spent more time than I can recall in front of a Revox A77 recording choral and chamber music with good omni-directional mikes.

I currently have a pair of kit speakers, Tang Band D3-1's, back-horn loaded, front-firing horns... They are rated at 88 db, but my experience tells me that they are more like 92 db... 3" full-range drivers, but oh, what a mighty 3" they are...

My room is 13 ' x 17',  and the speakers fire into the length... 5/8" fire code drywall, nothing on the walls... I sit about ten feet from the speakers. I currently have a Musical Paradise MP 301 MK II SET amp, but I think I can do much better, IMHO... The amp has about 4 WPC... I normally listen with the volume control at about 9:00, but 10:00 at the highest...

I have been lusting after a Zen Triode for some time now-- long enough, in fact, for it to have gone through a few iterations... But at the beginning of July, I'll finally have enough dough in my hot little hands to order one...

I was unable to post a link to the Tang Band D3-1's but they can be found on the TB website...

Anyway, any comments on this issue would be greatly appreciated...

Thanks, and best regards, Mark.
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Re: Hello, and some questions...
Reply #1 - 06/09/12 at 13:17:58
 
Welcome. I am sure that the ZEN amp will do a fine job with this setup of yours.
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Re: Hello, and some questions...
Reply #2 - 06/09/12 at 14:05:53
 
Welcome! I think you'll have years of deep musical enjoyment from a Zen amp!
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Re: Hello, and some questions...
Reply #3 - 06/09/12 at 16:47:50
 
Thanks for the input...

So I guess what I'm hearing here is a thumbs-up for the Zen amp... As they say, there's only one real way to find out if the pairing works... But a full-range driver speaker of that size in a small room just has to be a good match...

I prefer an almost clinical sound... I hope I can get a tube compliment that fulfills that need... (m.)



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Reply #4 - 06/09/12 at 16:50:38
 
I think the tube set shipped should suit you. I recommend listening to that through to the other side of breakin before rolling other tubes. I'd say that the stock tube set of almost every Decware amp I've bought was a bit clinical sounding. Should float your boat!
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Reply #5 - 06/10/12 at 19:40:03
 
I've been thinking about this very thing... First off, it's hard to tell if Tang Bang rated my speakers correctly...  With my current 4 WPC SET amp, I typically set the volume at 9:00... 10:00 tops...

But the Zen is rated at 2.3 W into 4 ohms nominal, not 8... So that would put me at about half the rated power output into 8 ohms, right?  It feels like the whole thing might be right at the margin... I do have a small room, and play mostly classical chamber music at moderate levels...  

I could try the Zen, then if it doesn't work out, return it... But I don't like to return things... It seems too much like 'renting' a component, which I hated to experience when I sold audio in the 70's...

I just can't believe that a single 3" full-range driver speaker like the TB D3-1 would not work with the Zen; but then again, you really don't know for sure unless you hook the thing up and try it out... (m.)
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Re: Hello, and some questions...
Reply #6 - 06/10/12 at 20:23:16
 
It'll work, but with much less available headroom.
Having gone myself from a Zen "Select" to a SE34I, the difference on the exact same speakers is huge.
They really come alive with the extra headroom.
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Reply #7 - 06/10/12 at 22:37:02
 
Right... Just looked it up... 6.5 WPC... I did roll some EL 34B's into the amp for output, and put in a matched pair of NOS 5693 RCA metal 'red' tubes for drivers...   I don't want to get into an extended discussion about my current amp, but it does do the job...

I just think it lacks finesse... For my money, and if I were Decware, I'd design a 'small box' SET around the EL 34... I see they use them in some of their other amplifiers... It's really a good audio tube...  

They also have a nice CD player based on the Tascam CD 200 format... A faultless player that can be modded easily... As they say, a real sleeper... But I digress...   (m.)
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Reply #8 - 06/10/12 at 23:10:04
 
Oh, my... That's a nice unit... A bit out of my range, though... I could sell off the furniture... That in itself is a good mod...
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Reply #9 - 06/13/12 at 16:27:47
 
Just a little update here:  I've been reading all the Decware papers on amplifier power, and have read a bunch of other papers trying to correlate the data as it might concern my speakers and the Zen triode...

I e-mailed Tang Band, and they said, that if I wanted to be finicky about it, the D3-1's actually measure out around 90 / 91 db, and nominal impedance is closer to 6 ohms...

I have to tell you, I've never been on the fence over a piece of audio gear as much as I have on the Zen triode...

Given the size and config. of my room / listening position, the fact that I listen at moderate levels all the time, and that my program material is limited to chamber music-- and also that the Zen may very well deliver close to the useable power of my current amp, I think I'm going to get my feet wet here and just go ahead and order one (early Jul)... The worst case here is if I audition the amp and find it wanting, I take a hit for the restocking fee and round-trip shipping... I think I can live with that...

I mean, in my experience in audio, there comes a time when you need to put specs aside, and just fire the damn thing up and see what you've got...   (m.)
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Reply #10 - 06/13/12 at 16:43:38
 
Wise decision. You can always take that bite of return, or. . . you could probably sell it here. Someone might well buy it. . .no waiting. That's a big deal, the waiting.

Which brings me to: why not order it now? Unless you do paypal, You won't be charged til shipping, and if you wait two, three, four weeks to order, that's two, three, four more months of waiting. . . Smiley
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Re: Hello, and some questions...
Reply #11 - 06/13/12 at 16:54:46
 
Yes, based on my experience with Decware, due to the long waiting time involved, should you ever be tempted into buying any of their amps, that is the perfect time to make your purchase!

It can take 4 months.

Before I got my amp, there were many times during the waiting time when I kept telling myself that I should not have sat on the fence.....
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Reply #12 - 06/13/12 at 17:44:39
 
OK, maybe I can get some clarification here: I do have PayPal, but also have a VISA debit card, which acts as a credit card, but just draws down on my bank account...  

1) You mean to say that I can order now with my debit card, and I will not see any charges until they actually ship the amp?... Note: I will have the entire amount for amp and shipping in my account on July 1st anyway, but I obviously don't want to get into any trouble with anyone trying to put through a charge or even a hold before that...

2) What is so significant about ordering the amp now vs. July 1st?... Is there some kind of notch point after which orders get more tied up or some such thing?...

3) I never even thought about the resell [here] alternative... That would void the warranty, wouldn't it?...    (m.)
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Reply #13 - 06/13/12 at 17:52:55
 
I guess that a call to Sarah or DeVon is the safest way to get a definitive answer, but I believe that you are not charged until the amp is shipped. Looked on the website for verification, but didn't see it.

Nothing special about July, it's just that the wait is so long for amps that the sooner you get an order in, the sooner an amp comes your way.

An amp's warranty can be restored and assigned to the new owner by shipping the amp in to Decware for a thorough bench test. A charge applies. Details are on the web site.
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Reply #14 - 06/13/12 at 18:30:47
 
If you opt to pay by Credit Card directly (to Decware), your Credit Card will not be charged until your amp is shipped out which is usually 4 months from the date you placed your order.

If you opt to pay by Paypal, Paypal will charge your credit card immediately on the day you place your order with Decware. You are basically making an advanced payment before your amp actually ships out.
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