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Re: Turning ON/OFF switches' sequence
Reply #15 - 05/26/12 at 00:29:28

I see what you're saying. Being a dual mono amp, these switches toggle between those two sets of inputs provided you switch them together ... makes sense. That explains what I found out by turning off only one of them and getting to the wrong conclusion because I thought all these switches were ON/OFF but these are not, they toggle between those inputs. Being dual mono you have to toggle them together ... DUHHH again!!! Sorry, and thanks for the help Cheesy

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HPDJ Senior Member Posts: 60	Re: Turning ON/OFF switches' sequence Reply #16 - 05/26/12 at 19:39:40 No problemo!
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erik2a3 Senior Member Posts: 95	Re: Turning ON/OFF switches' sequence Reply #17 - 05/27/12 at 20:37:51 Switches at the front switch between two possible sources. Remeber this amp really is very dual mono; switch only one of the two switches and your signal will drop out on that side only.
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Fireblade Seasoned Member Knowledge comes, but wisdom lingers. A.L.Tennyson Posts: 630	Re: Turning ON/OFF switches' sequence Reply #18 - 05/27/12 at 21:58:06 After 9 days of use, the gear is slowly shaping up and at the same time quite critical of the front end/source. When the source is sweet, this system is unbelievable. I'm sure there's still plenty more to come out, but I'm enjoying it immensely :)
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Re: Turning ON/OFF switches' sequence
Reply #19 - 05/27/12 at 22:25:18

The amp is always going to show you how brilliant the rare recordings are, and how not brilliant most are. I've worked with my tube sets to find a set where most things sound as good as they potentially can. I've sacrificed the totally awesome good as it can be so that the mediocre ones shine a bit more brightly.

It's an amazing journey of sonic discovery you've embarked on.

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Re: Turning ON/OFF switches' sequence
Reply #20 - 05/28/12 at 01:01:17

I've seen you underly this concept before, and I agree with you. It should be much better to have the bulk of your collection's recordings sound much better at the cost of not optimizing the finer few.

How you go about achieving satisfactorily this ideal tradeoff is less clear to me. I know it may have to do mostly with the front end specs and maybe the use of the controversial (to me) trebble cut-off control, for example.

It probably also implies less detailed-oriented sound and transparency specs and a more musically balanced, forgiving compromise and PRAT, both in your front end as well as in your amp and speakers, for example?

I suppose your peripheral (non-essential) gear (i.e., cables, IC's, power cords, etc.), as well as other anti-vibration accessories, may possibly be chosen with those objectives in mind, along with proper room conditioning?

But, is this really possible to achieve? Where do we start? Is investing a great deal in your power generation device an example of those tradeoffs (i.e., not investing that money in more capable gear?)

As you do have the experience, maybe a summary of that evolution may be a good guide for us. Could you enumerate those steps? Thanks for your inputs

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Re: Turning ON/OFF switches' sequence
Reply #21 - 05/28/12 at 01:38:33

You've pretty much outlined the steps, though I bristle at your mention of "not more capable gear." Nothing incapable about gear that has a natural and "non-audiophile detailed" sound.

The treble cut circuit is a godsend for me. And the power conditioning is something I now won't do without. I spent too much time with the isolation transformers which I can now clearly hear give the sound a pinched unnatural quality. Power cables have also really gone a long way towards making the sound more natural and giving the best qualities of the material a boost. I think that comes from the midrange. I'll chose tubes and cabling that will give an open window into the midrange and won't emphasize other frequency areas with energy.

It's a personal thing that I've had to face because . . . well two reasons I think. One, no matter how much I'd like it to be digital is not analog. I love digital, but analog has something that my ear wants and needs and I have to work on digital playback in order to sidestep some aspects about it that are no problem for me in analog. I have spent a few decades making digital work for me. The last five have been the best, really great sound. Secondly, I'm voracious in my need for music, and I couldn't for example be like a friend of mine: have about three hundred recordings that are loved and sound great and always looking for the best sound of those three hundred recordings. I have rooms of recordings, literally. I have recordings I love that were recorded by musicians and fans that really need a lot of help to sound right. I was just listening to some yesterday, recordings made over a week's time in the late fifties in an LA club where the Maynard Ferguson band was booked. The drummer recorded it. Great music, that I've learned how to listen to and which my system at least gives a fair shot. I took a disc over to a trumpeter friend's house at his request and we couldn't listen to it.

So I really don't think I can go into detail after detail, and it's a very personal thing, all I've done is find ways to make these incredible products play back in a way that my mind and heart wants to hear playback. Every step might be different done by another.

A big step in the right direction for me was the Radial speakers that Steve and Bob started making. These really allowed the sound to break free of the box, and that space and the way the tonal balance was presented allowed me to make further inroads. And then Steve came up with the treble cut circuit, which really added a valuable resource. Power regulation and cabling was the finishing touch area. The combination has really had me listening for hours and hours with enjoyment and impact and no fatigue.

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Reply #22 - 05/28/12 at 01:52:36

Lon this is a really great post. And I think the best message presented is that it has taken you a long time of experimentation to get to the point that you are at. This is in essence what the hobby is all about for me. I posted yesterday that the madness is never ending, and while I was laughing as I wrote it I was dead on serious. Of course, it's a good madness. I've experienced some of the not so good and believe me this is hands down the right type for me. So to Fireblade and anyone else have fun with this. Is it the right mix of tubes? Will it be cords, wires, the way stuff is isolated, certain versions of recordings, a good day, a bad day? Yes, of courilse yes to all the above. Everything will affect the outcome. And with Steve's stuff being so transparent getting it to be right for your circumstances will take some time. Enjoy the ride. Try everything. But mostly just enjoy the journey. It's a ride well worth taking.

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Lon Seasoned Member "Love without guts is worthless!" Philip K. D*ck Posts: 5264	Re: Turning ON/OFF switches' sequence Reply #23 - 05/28/12 at 02:14:24 Thanks Sam. I agree, take the time, and enjoy the ride. I think that's quite fitting and par for the course with this forum, where we all enjoy the ride! Even if we sometimes don't enjoy the wait.
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Re: Turning ON/OFF switches' sequence
Reply #24 - 05/28/12 at 11:42:53

I definitely have a long way to go, to experiment and to learn. As I read both your posts, I wonder if I was ever suspicious of what I was getting into when I started browsing this site. The journey for me has just started, and it has already grasped me by the throat, sort of speak. I'm re-discovering old music passions set aside for more time than I would care to reckon, just because of the thrill involved with this gear and the inherent frame of mind.

It is a hobby for me, but also a passion. As such, I find the current offerings in terms of sound enhancement and fitting accessories very foreign to my previous (limited) experience in my attempts to try and fulfill this never-ending quest. Therefore, I'm faced with a highly motivating challenge that demands for me to find the right approach, a 'system' with which to tackle the task.

Sometimes I feel I ask too many questions. In my effort to understand and digest the meaningful and many times subtle related information that may enable me to separate what is real from what is illusion, I can't help to tax you guys with these demands as I don't really trust most of what is published in the media. This is what I particularly liked about this community, as its candor reflects genuine, disinterested peer support.

Now that my horizon is clearly set out, I need to find my own path, hopefully with your invaluable assistance. Part of this method is the re-conditioning of my own music and sound appreciation skills. I know most of you have developed this sort of expertise at listening, which enable you to interpret the underlying cause-and-effect links to the gear structure. You know what and where to look for in solving some of the inconsistencies you were able to naturally pick up while listening.

Thanks so much for your kind support and excuse my unavoidable future nagging questions :). I really love this hobby!

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Re: Turning ON/OFF switches' sequence
Reply #25 - 05/28/12 at 15:25:23

I know you'll easily find your own path and walk along at your pace. You're built that way.

(Takes one to know one).

I think you'll discover what many of us have: the system will season in and you'll learn to hear your recordings in new ways and your further journey will manifest itself.

The key is enjoying hte music, which you have down pat. Wink

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Les Lammers Seasoned Member Posts: 137	Re: Turning ON/OFF switches' sequence Reply #26 - 05/28/12 at 21:27:00 FB, Audio is a journey and a well regarded dealer told me that it stops when you want it to. Very simple but also quite profound. It really is about enjoying the music...period. ;)
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Fireblade Seasoned Member Knowledge comes, but wisdom lingers. A.L.Tennyson Posts: 630	Re: Turning ON/OFF switches' sequence Reply #27 - 05/29/12 at 01:57:10 It's more like Schubert's Winterreise (a winter's journey) :) . Seriously though, that journey will end when I feel I'm almost totally satisfied with the way my music sounds, which shouldn't be that far off.
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