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05/12/12 at 13:21:13
 
My order for the new Integrated, "Rachel" is seventh on the Q. I note that today according to the Official Decware Amplifier Waiting List the first one in Q is in "testing" status right now. The second one in Q is "on the bench" and I don't mean that in a sports play context. They are assembling it with loving care.

I am now 9 weeks out. I even forgot which base I chose. Luckily the Q lists the base that is ordered. I had ordered the black figured; this is the nicest one for me. I have my pair of Mullard reissue EL34's ready to go into this thing. I just have to keep waiting.

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Reply #1 - 05/12/12 at 14:48:07
 
As Big Audio Dynamite has said on one of their releases:

"Sit tight and listen keenly."
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Reply #2 - 05/12/12 at 15:26:44
 
How are those Mullard's RR? Been thinking of getting a quad for Torii.
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Reply #3 - 05/12/12 at 15:28:22
 
Sam, I haven't tried a quad in the Torii, but I very much enjoyed a pair in the Integrated.
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Reply #4 - 05/12/12 at 16:46:31
 
Thanks Lon. Good to know. Liking the EH 6CA7's in the Torii whether or not they engage the Hazen mod(haven't heard back from Steve yet) and liked the JJ 6CA7's as well but have heard pretty good things on the "Mullards" so maybe will give them a try. At least I know they're real pentode.
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Reply #5 - 05/12/12 at 22:00:26
 
The bottom line is if they sound great to you, then they're great, engaging the mod or no. My own set will be in this next week, eager to hear them.  If not trouncing the JJs, I bet they will sound really good in my second system with the Mk II.
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Reply #6 - 05/12/12 at 22:23:57
 
I'm back and forth between the EH and JJ's. Nothing wrong with the JJ's at all. A really great tube. Hard to say at this point what I like better. And then the "Mullards" will be here shortly to play with.

I'll be interested in your take, and any difference that you hear with the EH's in Torii's 2 & 3.
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Reply #7 - 05/12/12 at 22:53:46
 
I'll like the one that has the cleanest, sweetest treble. Smiley Previous experience makes me think it will take some time to break in the cryo'd versions.
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Reply #8 - 05/14/12 at 19:56:58
 
Well, Ron sent me cryo'd JJs by mistake, so I'm a few days away again from trying the EHs.
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Reply #9 - 05/21/12 at 09:22:05
 
I'm not positive, but I think that's mine on the bench according to Bob.

We'll see. I have some Genalex re-issue KT77, Cryo Mullard EL34, and possibly some black bottle EL34 in the pipeline to try.

Amp has upgraded caps, no volume, and will be run direct by an Antelope Gold DAC.

really excited as I have been w/o hifi for some time due to a move and selling off my old system....
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Reply #10 - 06/05/12 at 03:55:31
 
How long does it take to wind transformers! Mine is being wound with several others.  It seems that some of the new SE34I.3 units have already hit the street.
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Reply #11 - 06/07/12 at 16:30:49
 
Has anyone received their Rachel yet and can let us know what they think. I finally made it to page 4 on the Build Sheet...one page at a time baby Smiley
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Reply #12 - 06/07/12 at 23:40:18
 
Mine is in route as I write this. I ordered it with Vcaps so it will be a while before I can say how it really sounds.
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Reply #13 - 06/11/12 at 10:50:19
 
Looks like (2) are ahead of me, with one SE34I.31 in QC.

I'll be running mine direct from DAC, with plenty of burn-in for the Vcaps - on some Hoyt Bedford 1.5.

What are other folks planning for their .31? Anyone using a capable DAC, or going with pre?

Cryo'd Mullard re-issues EL34 arrived yesterday with some Pope 7DJ8.

Would still like to hear if the output terminals are reversed as they are on the Mini-Torii...
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Reply #14 - 06/11/12 at 12:15:27
 
Mine shows as "PARTS PULLED" which means that it is being assembled.

However, I am going to receive a TORII MK III this week. This amp might elbow the others out of the way.
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Reply #15 - 06/11/12 at 12:28:12
 
I'm eager to hear your impressions of the Torii Mk III. This amp changed my listening world.
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Reply #16 - 06/11/12 at 23:04:35
 
Now my SE34I.3 is "On The Bench."

My TORII MK III is scheduled to be delivered tomorrow.
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Reply #17 - 06/16/12 at 05:22:18
 
@Riveria, how's the MKIII sounding?
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Reply #18 - 06/16/12 at 13:41:28
 
I am afraid somebody would ask me that.

A few days ago I received the TORII MK III back from DECWARE all checked out and cleared for duty, with a new black figured base installed.

This amp had never been broken in. I set up the amp with JJ 6922 input tubes, Russian Winged "C" rectifiers and no-name Chinese EL34 power tubes, with the 0A3 and 0C2 voltage regulators.

The first two hours the amp did not sound impressive.  However, as it played, during hour 3-5 the sound began to set in and grow more spacious and clear. Five hours on; five hours off is the plan. I have been adhering to that.

Because my listening space is a small room, the sound waves from this thing go right through me. I find that the bass sounds best with the bass pots turned all the way down. However, the treble pots are set at about half. I cannot discern any real palpable difference between the two bias settings.  I set the speaker impedance switch pointed back, which sounds best with the MG 944's.

The main thing I have to say about this amp is that it amplifies on the characteristics that the other DECWARE amps have. It brings extra  impact and emotion to the music that the other amps bring in a slightly less quantity.

I don't know if the MK III is too big and powerful for this room; it may well be. I am not ready to divest of any of the other amps yet. I am waiting for my SE34I.3; the new Sheriff in town.

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Reply #19 - 06/16/12 at 14:23:43
 
Jim, it's not possible to have too much Decware. . . but I sold some Decware amps just because they were not getting used, weren't ever going to get enough use, and it's a shame to have them just gathering dust. Sold them for a good price and I know they're being used.

I am not surprised to read your impressions of the Torii. I have my Mk II in a small room and it sounds different than in the larger space, makes it sound more like a vintage tube amp, which I've come to consider a nice thing. I can't imagine having another amp in my living room/dining room space now that I've had the Mk III there. It just breathes and flows there in a way no other amp has. I don't have bass controls on mine (one of the first IIIs made and before those were in vogue). I have my treble turned down too. The bias pots make a significant difference in mine, more so in the large room. I think as the amp breaks in the differences will become more pronounced. I have my input bias also to the back, the speaker impedance to the front. I agree about the emotion and impact this amp brings to the music. I found that this amp opened up after about a months use, and then again every six months or so of seasoning seems to deepen its connection to the music and my brain. Keep at it, I think it will change your listening world too. . . .

CD, DVD, Blu-ray and DVR just sound so deep and musical. Vinyl from my Rega RP3 and my PS Audio GCPH is just heavenly!

PS: At least try the amp with 6N1P tubes, they really make the amp for me, don't like it nearly as much with 6922s. And try some other EL34s, the power tubes can and do make a difference in this amp.
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Reply #20 - 06/16/12 at 15:55:44
 
RR,

This reminds me of my first experience with the Torii. And it sounds like your settings (bass full left for tightness, and impedance back for more push and therefore more articulation) are adaptations to the green Torii and probably  your room, as you suggest. With my 944s in this room, like Lon, I liked the forward setting for impedance, and back for bias... the most easy settings. But with my HR-Ones, I tend to prefer the back impedance setting, especially since I put NOS Russian K40Y-9 PIO coupling caps in the Torii.

When the Torii first came, right off, I missed the SE34I.2+ with its effortless, open and lucid mids, and found the weight and density of the Torii a little intimidating. But as Lon suggests (I think especially in some settings) Torii burnin can be a big factor. Not hearing a notable difference with the bias switch is a good indicator of subtitles to come as the amp opens up. After that first bloom, I suspect you are looking at a couple hundred hours to get into the "seasoning" phase that seems to continue for a long time.

For me, with room adjustments (to accommodate the power and weight), tube exploration, and so on, I feel like I have the magic of SE with the power and weight not likely attainable with SE. This for me is the amazing thing about the Torii. It can have a more dense, balanced, classic sound, or a very lucid and open sound and anywhere in between...but with the fast, smooth power...very nice.

I look forward to your developing impressions.
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Reply #21 - 06/20/12 at 06:05:48
 
Can someone PM or post for me the link to the cue?  I'm waiting on the List:)
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Reply #22 - 06/20/12 at 10:53:55
 
Go into the Contact tab on the Decware website. The PDF build sheet link is in there.
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Reply #24 - 06/22/12 at 04:45:53
 
Thanks guys:)
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Reply #25 - 06/30/12 at 13:42:27
 
Anyone get theirs yet?
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Reply #26 - 06/30/12 at 14:13:58
 
ThorSevan has reported his arrived in the "Help me validate Decware amp and speakers" thread in the General Discussion forum.
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Reply #27 - 06/30/12 at 15:08:00
 
UPS attempted delivery of mine yesterday but I was not home. I usually leave instructions to deliver packages next door. My neighbor is an old timer who is home most afternoons. Unfortunately for me, yesterday he wasn't home either. I look forward to receiving it on Monday.
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Reply #28 - 07/01/12 at 11:54:37
 
Mine has passed QC....looking forward to hearing your impressions Riv.
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Reply #29 - 07/02/12 at 22:32:12
 
I received mine today. Serial No. 8. I set it up and it is playing.
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Reply #30 - 07/02/12 at 22:36:31
 
Congrats!
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Reply #31 - 07/03/12 at 08:59:06
 
Dear RR,

I would be grateful if you could share your initial views with us.  Although, my SE34I.3 (which was built right after yours with the exact same specs) may be at my door step tomorrow, it would be nice to learn your initial views on the amp.  Thanks.

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Reply #32 - 07/03/12 at 14:28:52
 
It behaves a lot like the little ZEN amp with gain and overall presentation. It has the same insane imaging. The power tube gauges are a delight. The needle starts to move after the unit warms up. I am glad that I bought my matched pair of Mullard reissue EL34's from Jim McShane because they show identical readings on the little meters. When you turn the volume nearly all the way up the needles on the meter start going a little crazy. The gauge tells you when the amp is clipping.

The amp has a "clean" look to it. The elegant black figured base I figure looks best with this.

The tube set is a pair of 6N1P-EV, the Mullards and a 1950's Sylvania 5U4G rectifier. I listened to only CD's.

I could not test the amp's limits because my daughter had oral surgery yesterday and had to stay quiet. From what I was able to play I could discern that the amp had the gain and imaging qualities of the little ZEN but the sound was a tad warmer. This is pretty much what Steve had forecast.

I am sorry if I am not "gushing" here (like somebody who replaced a cheap rack system with their first DECWARE amp). This is the ninth DECWARE amp I have owned. I take for granted the high level of performance this gear presents.

RACHEL is loud enough in my small room without using a preamp, connected to the vaunted MG944 (Zen Zeigler) speakers. This RACHEL dame needs to be controlled, I think; and what better to do that with than a CSP2+ preamplifier. I will move that into position and see how it does. It should add more weight and control.

Without a preamp and the gain past 3/4 RACHEL begins clipping, a lot like the little ZEN. The sound sounds more weighty right before that point. The CSP2+ would allow me to ride the gain and better accommodate the sound of different recordings.

My listening session using the TORII MK III night before last was marred by the JJ 6922 inputs, which I suspect were distorting. I moved the treble controls before realizing that the trouble was the  JJs. I have to put some 6N1P-EV's in those slots.
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Reply #33 - 07/04/12 at 05:04:42
 
Dear RR,

Thank you very much for your initial views.  I certainly can understand why you were not gushing your new amp.  My SE34I.3 was delivered yesterday but I was not home to accept delivery.  I will need to collect it later today.  I do hope your daughter to get well soon.  Thanks again!
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Reply #34 - 07/04/12 at 07:00:15
 
Great info Riv, and I think we all appreciate your level head impressions of the amp thus far. Mine has shipped! I live overseas now so it may took a bit, and my speakers are not shipped yet either.

So, as you can see I have some breakin' in to do as well with new Omegas (Hoyt B 1.5) and VCAPs in Rachel.

I'm interested to play with the meters myself. I used to have an Amplitrex AT1000 capable of tight matching. I think I ordered these EL34s from Upscale or McShane will have to check.

I don't have a 5U4 though, just a Dario GZ32. I am in the process of ordering one 5U4 unless someone has a spare that they would sell me (shipped to forwarding address in New York).
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Reply #35 - 07/25/12 at 17:24:06
 
Thank you too RR for your first impressions compared to the C+. I have a pair of lonely Speakers I once used with the Zen Select.....that now need either a new Select or the Rachel for my other room. I own a home once again.  
I will order the Rachel most likely come September. I doubt that I will sell it.....like I did my Torii 3. I also read your impressions of the return of your 3 so far. Keep your overall comparisons coming.  Thanks, Stone.

.....enjoying my 11th + year with my Zen Select (SE84CS)....yes as RR stated....."with insane imaging"....lets also add: tone & timbre and absolutely transparent.
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Reply #36 - 02/20/13 at 20:48:16
 
 Well I am the newest person on the waiting list for the Rachael. Steve was nice enough to spend 30mins discussing my situation and what to expect  w/ the Rachael based on my set up, 11'X13' room w/ Paradigm studio 80v2 w/ specs of 92db, 8ohm fed by a Csp2.  Currently my amp is a SS 175 watts per chan.
 I received a nice education on, I guess listening habits in terms of  volume level.  Basically the volume with which one feels is where the sound quality reaches its peak in terms of fullness/tonality etc is different btwn his amps and high power SS amps.  I told him I like to listen at slightly higher than avg levels as then the music opens up.  He said that is due to many SS amps sounding anemic until the volume is pretty loud, i.e. if 2 people sat on a couch, and the music was sounding right, we'd have to raise our voices quite a bit to converse.  
 W/ the Rachael,  the music will sound full and perfect at a much lower level, so i'll not even notice that it's not as loud as I normally would like it to be. And, I won't miss the extra volume the SS amp has, at least with serious listening.
 So even tho Rachael is not gonna get near concert levels w/ my speakers, it won't need to.  Plus, this doesn't even take into consideration the improvements in musicality and transparency I should w/ the tune amp.
 Never the less tho,  he did say he will be expecting a call from me in a year or so inquiring about buying a set of his (more) efficient speakers.  At which point, I'll really know the definition of kick ass sound. Smiley

I can't wait.  I did ask about the Jupiter caps and he said he highly recommended them, and let me have them at the same price as the V-caps.   Said more transparent and organic than the standard caps they use, and he prefers them to the V's.  Will sound great w/ my Csp2 pre.  I don't need the volume control option on the amp because my csp2 has the 2 gain dials which essentially would serve the same purpose.

I know this info won't be surprising for you veteran Decware users, but for new csr's like me with little to no experience w/ the Decware amp sound, maybe this will answer some questions.



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Reply #37 - 02/20/13 at 20:54:15
 
Greg, congrats! I know you are going to really enjoy the different world of sound that Rachel will bring. Wow.

I find that there's a "right volume level" for many of the recordings I have, especially those that are made live or with little processing, say the way Rudy Van Gelder did in the fifties and sixties, or the 300th St. studio Columbia used. Different amps will be at different settings to get there, but there's a level where it all snaps into focus so to speak and you can get louder but not really improve the sound. Decware amps get to that level and really let it all unfold in front of you.

You're going to be having a lot of fun! "The waiting is the hardest part."
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Reply #38 - 02/20/13 at 21:30:22
 
Thanks Lon, your posts have been very informative for me over the months, along w/ everyone else in this great community and I really have no doubts about this purchase now.  It's been great education reading the old posts prior to making what I think is now an informed option.   Man i'm excited.
 The csp2 I bought used here in Oct and this Rachael are my first stereo upgrades in maybe 10yrs.  No more mid fi for me!
 Also, as far as the loudness bit goes, I'll still be keeping my SS around for War movies and parties so no worries there Grin

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Reply #39 - 02/20/13 at 22:57:22
 
Greg,

I just took delivery on a SE34 last week.  I too came from SS (100 watts into 89db 8 ohm speakers).  

There is an adjustment period that you may go through until you get used to listenable volume concept.  I had to play my SS A LOT louder to get the same level of detail.  I actually moved my rig to a smaller room to get more volume.

But let me tell you what you sacrifice in volume, you more than make up in detail and soundstage.  I think Lon mentioned insane imaging.  That's a good description.  The other night I was hearing percussion tapping of some sort behind my head about 4 ft and up near the ceiling.  I thought my kids were tapping on the floor upstairs to mess with me.  I backed up and found out it was the recording.  And I only have about 30 hours on the amp.

On most recordings, I can get to critical listening volume between 2/3rd to 3/4 on the volume dial without clipping but I still am looking into building or buying some higher efficiency speakers.  Suffice it to say that I will be building out my system with this amp as the core component.

P.S. the interconnects that Steve sells are very good.  They quickly replaced my old interconnects.  It wasn't even close.
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Reply #40 - 02/20/13 at 23:55:45
 
 That's really cool Palomino.  I've never heard anything from my rig like that,  everything is definately btwn the speakers, and mostly 2 dimensional. Don't get me wrong, it sounds great, especially when I added the csp2, but still.....
 Anyways, thanks for the input, and please keep it coming as the amp breaks in. I'd like to hear all about it.

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Reply #41 - 02/21/13 at 13:03:29
 
I had tweaked my SS system with new speaker wires, new power cord, outlets and a isolation transformer and was getting pretty good sound out of it and what I thought was good imaging.  Almost to the point of wondering how much better the new amp would be.

But the SE34 really upped the game in all facets except volume.  I've kept the SS system (with a tube pre) in the larger room in case I want to rock out.

FWIW, it took about 7.5 weeks from order to delivery for my amp.  That also included the holidays so probably less in actual working days.
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Reply #42 - 02/21/13 at 18:48:40
 
At least the cables and pc's etc aren't a waste since you can always use them on your other gear.  I'm planning to invest in some Decware cords soon.  Not sure what to start w/,  spkr cbl, interconn's or PC's.   Prob not the spkr cbl as those are the highest price.  I like to wade into the water. Smiley
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Reply #43 - 02/21/13 at 18:52:44
 
I think the other, more experienced members on the forum can provide advice on what to do first, but I do think there is something to the claims of synergy with the Decware amps/interconnects/speakers.
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Reply #44 - 02/21/13 at 23:46:34
 
Greg12,

I believe the best place to start is the speaker cables. Yes they may be the most expensive of the cable, but there is a reason for that. They make the  most improvment, first off, secondly, without the good speaker cables, I don't think  you will hear what the other cables bring to the table.

Funny story about the speakers cables...

I get a box from Decware, things I had ordered, or needed for a speaker build. In the bottom of the box, there was a bunch of short lengths of speaker cable. Steve knowing I wasn't a firm believer in high priced speaker cabling at the time, I'm thinking, what am I supposed to do with these.

I called Steve that afternoon, and asked him, what am I to do with all these wires. Me thinking he was joking, he told me to strip the ends, butt them together and solder then up and try them out. He said they would sound better than anything I had tried or was using at the time.  He was correct, enough said. That is what I'm using to this date.

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Reply #45 - 02/22/13 at 00:58:10
 
I have to chime in (of course I do) and agree with Bob--the Zen Styx are the best speaker cable that I've owned and since I bought them I've explored all other cabling in my system, but haven't unhooked the Styx. It took me a long time to feel they'd "settled," but when they did they kept dishing out great sound.
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Reply #46 - 02/22/13 at 01:47:49
 
I was the ultimate unbeliever about cables. The math and science just didn't add up. Guess what? Math and science hasn't listened to my stereo with good cables and interconnects. Big noticeable differences.
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Reply #47 - 02/28/13 at 23:34:54
 
Gotta do something productive while I patiently wait for Rachael..  So I ordered a Philips 5R4GYS rectifier,  I've already had one in my CSP2 pre  for the past 3months and it sounds great.  So I pulled it out and put the new one in it's place.  Should be burned in fine by the time the new amp get's here in 2months.

Thought I'd start the burn in process gently with some Count Basie and the Kansas City 7.  Nice.
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Reply #48 - 02/28/13 at 23:54:32
 
Ah you inspired me to put on the Impulse SACD of CB and the KC 7. Smiley

The wait for a Decware component. . . well it can be tough. Kudos on coming up with a diversionary tactic!
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Reply #49 - 03/01/13 at 00:31:43
 
Same sacd I have.. great tunes,, sooo short tho..  unlike the amp wait.....  Oh well,  now on to Shelly Manne from the same APO sacd series.
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