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Reply #30 - 01/29/12 at 03:26:11
 
What change in sound or performance do you anticipate with the change in design to use the 12AU7 instead of the 6922/6N1P for the input?
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Reply #31 - 01/29/12 at 06:19:18
 
Fireblade, I am glad Lon responded in regards to this...... . He has way more experience on the subject than I. I have learned from and enjoy his insights.

Anyway, I have owned the ACE - 515 since 1995. Yes, that long....and believe it to be functioning as well as the day it was new. It turns the Select and my three front end components on and off sequentially. All I know is when I change just one variable, for example, taking the Select Amp off the 515 and pluging just in to a surge protector....a level of haze is heard, not grain because the Select sounds pretty damn good out of the wall outlet. However, the 515 does sound just plain cleaner but not sterile of course.

The ACE -515 received some good press back then because amoung its competitors of the time, the 515 did not/does not suck the dynamics out of the music or change its character as some do and did. So, I love the 515, especially for what I paid for it back in 1995 dollars!

Now, in my Solid State Rig running my Polk SDA SRS 1.2 Speakers with my Rotel Integrated Amplifier RA-1062.....I use Kimber's best PK10 Palladian Power Cord just out of a surge protector. This cable is no Bull S, even compared to other good after market P-cords. It is more dynamic and tighter in the bass and I dare say more analog sounding! When I first got it.....I ABA'd the crap out of it in astonishment. I also bought it on Audiogon/Classifieds, for half the retail price from David Weinhart of Weinhart Design in California whom I spoke to on the phone.....to make sure how he got it and it was legit. David is top notch. Anyway, this cable sounds great in this application BUT NOT good with my two Tube Amps. The Tube Amps apparently don't need this P-Cord...it squoshes them negatively. SO, trial by fire.  Now back to George Benson and his 2011 Guitar Man disc through the Select tonight........ .  -Stone
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Reply #32 - 01/29/12 at 14:57:31
 
Thank you, stone.  I read there's the Adcom series 615 on the market replacing your model.  Is good to see that Adcom held on to this design on the market for so many years, which I interpret as it being a good design.

Yes, I've been listening to Lon since I started this Decware quest, and hopefully I'll learn too.  I just want to avoid some of the trial-and-error process, if I can.

Regarding the power cord, are you using your stock Select's cord or something from the aftermarket?  I ask because this is another variable, as Lon has pointed out, and you seem to imply you don't need an improvement on the power cord for the Select.  Is that right?

Thanks for your assistance.  Happy listening ...



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Reply #33 - 01/29/12 at 15:15:57
 
Lon, I'm not sure I have a real plan yet, just sort of assessing the possibilities.  But I'm inclined at this point to use the isolation transformer, a line enhancer like the Adcom 615 and a 14 AWG shielded IEC power cord (this last one just for the Mini Torii).

You mentioned a specific isolation transformer as suggested by Steve.  Is it too different from the Tripp Lite 500 Watts I ordered?

I'm looking for a shielded 14 AWG IEC power cord to maybe replace the hospital grade Iron Lung Jellyfish I ordered, wich is not shielded.

I read somewhere Volex are not built like they used to, now being a 100% chinese production, so I'm still looking.

Anyway, thanks for your support.  Take care ...
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Reply #34 - 01/29/12 at 15:27:45
 
It IS the very same transformer.

As for power cord, I'd suggest getting a MAC cord from the auction site will mentioned, www.proaux.com or if/when you can afford it, the Decware cord. Will last you lifetimes and provide great sound.
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Reply #35 - 01/29/12 at 16:37:56
 
Fireblade, I do use XLO Powercords. One each for my SE84CS & Torii 3. XLO PRO Dedicated AC Power Transmission Cable(s) to be exact. Each uses the square male Hubbell heads. Noise floor lowered indeed.

Furthermore, I use a Townshend CD Seismic Sink which my digital Audio Alchemy gear resides on. My system is also configured on the floor and the bottom floor. My power supplies are separates for the AA gear. I have these isolated (and away from audio gear) with ceramic tiles on top to minimize internal vibration (weighted with brass cones). I also use Ferrite Beads on power entry back to my three front end pieces. My Reference Speaker Cable 3033 and Interconnect Kimber 1030 also do well at noise reduction by design too.

As Lon mentioned as you iron things out....."Will last you a lifetime and provide great sound". It is good to go down a path to minimize mistakes as we all do. But, inevitably you will return or sell some items, make sure you have return policies, restocking fees etc....known up front and talk directly with people your buying from if possible. For example, I was willing to take the risk on the Kimber PK10 Palladian Power Cord after talking to David at Weinhart Design; and I also new I could sell it for what I paid for it on Audiogon once again. Of course I have tried quite a few new and used things over the years that have not fit my listening and genre(S) enjoyment and were returned or sold.  You need to bring Speakers, Amps, Tubes, Front-Ends, and noise reduction devices into your room and for your listening preferences to make decisions.

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Reply #36 - 01/29/12 at 17:13:19
 
Furthermore, without making this a separate thread..... . Get the best front end you can afford. In my SE84CS based system I put my well burned in DacMagic in place of my Audio Alchemy pieces for comparison. The AA gear also uitlizes the i2S function with a Audio Revelations Prophecy Cyro'd Silver i2S interconnect in conjunction with my Kimber Select. The DacMagic has NO BUSINESS BEING IN THIS SYSTEM. It is flat and 2 demensional compared to my AA digital. When/if my AA gear goes down (it will/it is 17 years old and I purchased new in April 1995).......a Wyred for Sound Dac 2 will be the minimum starting point. I might have to go up to PS Audio Perfect Wave. A testament to how good the AA gear was then and still is for the Redbook CD standard. Also, a testament to the SE84CS (now ZS) Transparency and music making abilites.   Cheers, Stone of Tone
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Reply #37 - 01/29/12 at 18:17:38
 
For ICs, I notice that XLO makes some very nice looking stuff, even available at some modest B-stock prices. Wink
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Reply #38 - 01/29/12 at 20:02:44
 
I just read shielded power cords are actually detriment to sound (limits soundstage dimesionality) ... go figure!

Thanks, stone, for the answer and the thorough description, quite impressive.  I have experience with audio alchemy myself, since 1993 I believe (the first ones coming out).  Good stuff, and a bargain at the time.  It was plugged to my Enlightened Audio Designs Transport and beat the Theta processor I had previously.

In my case, I get stuck with the stuff I don't like, as I cannot ship this back to the seller or anyone interested in buying them (too far away), and locally these things are not appreciated.  So, I need to be really careful in choosing my components, as you can tell.

I think one of my weak links is the USB DAC (I'm using laptop music streaming, exclusively), but will need to check it out with the Decware gear in place.  My HRT Music Streamer II beats the Dac Magic also.  It improved my current SS system by much (beating a Hi-Fi DVD/CD player with Toslink optical outputs and such.)  Not sure if it will be up to par with the new gear.  So, yes, I'm aware of the importance of source components.  

I already ordered a popular, inexpensive but well reviewed power cord, the Iron Lung Jellyfish 14 AWG hospital grade.  Just one step above the stock power cord, mind you.  Little risk to start with, looking for reliability.  Long-term will have to be replaced by Decware's, probably (quality of materials and know-how should make a difference).

IC's I have 2 pairs of Vampire ZTC 75005 (great copper) from my earlier setup.  Eventually will have to be upgraded too.  I'll stick to the Tripp Lite 500 Isolator plus Jellyfish for the time being until everything breaks in.  Then we'll see.

Lon, I wish I could do that, but I have to go through my importer, so it's not feasible, unless he would auction himself and I'm sure he won't.  My loss.

I'm taking notes, guys.  Thanks so much for the support.
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Reply #39 - 01/29/12 at 20:20:08
 
It's all so crazy. You can read that shielded power cables are awful. You can read that they are fantastic. Only your own experience or that of those you can trust counts.

My own experience? Shielded power cords have been very good, shielded ICs not so much.

Best of luck!
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Reply #40 - 01/30/12 at 01:10:26
 
Thanks, Lon.  Yeah, it's really crazy!  I know from what I've read that shielded IC's are a no-no, and also they have to be as short as feasible (due to capacitance).

But, like you said, nothing is written in stone in audio tweaking ... It's part of the fun, I guess, especially when you kind of nail it and can really taste the new, improved sound!

Ride safe!
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Reply #41 - 01/30/12 at 01:14:37
 
Lots of what I read on the net is. . . BS. Smiley I would consider that about shielded power cords to be BS from my personal experience. Most of those I've liked have been wrapped with four shields! There is one that has an all copper shield, which sounds like it would be the bomb, and I really don't like its sound, so nothing is absolute. And there are those who prize longer lengths of power cords saying THEY sound better than shorter ones. Really, it's crazy. I don't really know what to believe any longer, I just try things for myself with as open a mind as I can muster.
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Reply #42 - 01/30/12 at 02:07:00
 
I agree on all the BS around.  But the more one reads, the better informed one is to make a decision.  I guess it's a matter of using common sense and keep basic concepts on check to decide whether a proposal is worth trying.

The best approach, nevertheless, is to ask people you trust, as you mentioned earlier.  Problem is, you have to have those contacts, which are scarce.

BTW, there's a reason for longer shielded power cords to work better, according to proponents of shielded cables, as it provides more opportunity to extend the magnetic shielding field surrounding the cable as current passes through (the right-hand rule, as is known in electrical engineering).  But this is, of course, their interpretation.

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Reply #43 - 01/30/12 at 06:31:36
 
There is a lot of BS flying around, just as there are many different circumstances and very few systems set up identically.

Ordinarily, shielded ICs are not so great. But, if you have a bunch of devices running 5.1 in and out of your Ultra, along with other multiple inputs and outputs, even Steve will tell you there can be a benefit to shielded ICs, and Decware even offers them. Lon, I believe those Audioquest ICs from HCM Audio with which we have had reasonably good experience, are shielded. I prefer the short runs of my Decware ICs, but sometimes the right tool is a different one.  
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Reply #44 - 01/30/12 at 11:50:41
 
Indeed. If I've learned one thing about audio it's that there are very few absolutes.
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