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Reply #105 - 06/23/12 at 17:05:05
 
It has been a while, but I think I recall stabilizing the cable end with teflon tape seemed to do some vibration reduction with the benefit of sound improvement...
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Reply #106 - 06/25/12 at 16:14:02
 
Sam, I took the older of the Burly cords out of the bedroom system as it's had some hours on it now and played around with it in the main system.

You're definitely going to have to secure the cable to the rack as there is more weight exerting downward force on this cable than on any other cable I've tried. There is four feet of surpreme, weighty stiffness bracketed at both ends with supreme flexibility.

I tried the cable between the wall and the Power Plant Premier, between the Premier and the Torii, and between the Premier and the Denon DCD-A100. Powering the Denon was where I liked it best. At the moment I'm using the Denon as my source for SACD and Redbook, and its DAC as my audio source for Blu-ray and DVR; I've my PS Audio PerfectWave DAC packed up and ready to go to FedEx for a return, I'm finally going for the upgrade to Mark II. I still prefer the AC-12 to the Burly in this spot, but by a smaller margin than in the other locations, and so I'm going to leave it there for a spell.

In comparison, the AC-12 imparts just a bit more of a warm, analog sound. The Burly seems to be a smidgeon quieter, and there's a tiny bit more "jump factor," and also a tiny bit more of an edge to the sound. That might subside. . . Seems to me every time I unplug a digital component it takes a full day to really come back 100 percent.
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« Last Edit: 06/25/12 at 16:21:19 by Lon »  

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Reply #107 - 06/28/12 at 13:39:35
 
Sam, since you were interested in the Burly cord. . .

After a few days in several places in the main system I took them out. I  had them powering my Denon and CSP2 for a day, and I had them powering my Blu-ray player and my DVR for a day but wasn't happy.  Not that they're a bad cord at all, but I just couldn't live without the PS Audio xStream Premier SC or PS Audio PerfectWave AC-10 cords they were replacing. Those are clearly better cords in my system, and I missed them being there. They have an openness and clarity that the Burly lacks.  In comparison the Burly is darker and . . . dull. And for a monitor the PS Audio cords create a more vivid, richer image. I'm sure it would have been the cup of tea for me in an earlier version of my system when the sound was brighter and thinner (mainly due to improper power management)--but not now. Really the Burly reminds me of the MAC-manufactured Decware cord, though perhaps a bit richer and by that token a bit slower.

So. . . not as impressed with the two that I have as I thought I would be darn it. But they'll work well in the second system.
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Reply #108 - 06/28/12 at 15:01:14
 
Lon interesting. Thanks. Looks like I have some thinking to do. I'm actually leaning on just going back to my Decware cord ( assume Steve voices his amps with it) until I get a good basic grasp of the v-caps effect. Once I put some mileage on them I will probably revisit the pc issue and hopefully have some good used options.
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Reply #109 - 06/28/12 at 15:34:11
 
Yes, I'm eager to hear your impressions of the Torii on its return, and with the PP Premier now in the system. Smiley
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Reply #110 - 06/28/12 at 16:34:57
 
I'm eager to hear it myself. Any idea how long repairs normally take? Your CSP2 got fixed pretty quickly, right? Somewhere I read that repairs take priority at  Decware. Hope so. Enjoying having my Fisher 500C back in the rig but really looking forward to having the Torii back.
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Reply #111 - 06/28/12 at 17:12:53
 
Yes, my CSP2 was repaired quite quickly, although it didn't need repair. Smiley It was tested for 72 hours and sent back so my best guess is it spent five days or less there. So priority is given to repairs as we've read.

(I discover why I thought mine was damaged and sent it off. When I blew a few fuses I put my last fuse in, and it powered up the input tubes but not the rectifier and I thought something was wrong. Well I didn't check, and that rectifier was dead. So if I'd put in another rectifier I would have been up and rolling, and I should have, not sure why I didn't. It was a rectifier that had just arrived in a batch of three, cheap, off ebay. I might have fried it, or it might have been dead. I'm always living and learning).

So here's hoping yours is back SOON.
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Reply #112 - 06/28/12 at 17:48:46
 
Your description is quite similar to my problem but I think mine might be more serious. I got a nasty hum in the right channel with or without tubes, and could smell a faint odor which in my world is never a good thing. So we will see. But in the end run it will work out for the best as it will get a once over, the warranty will be switched to my name and it'll have the upgrade. So a win win.
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Reply #113 - 06/28/12 at 18:01:01
 
Yes, I think  you did the right thing considering all the possibilities! And to be upgraded, and have the warranty in your name. . . good things to get accomplished.

Hopefully you'll have this back within a week or so.
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Reply #114 - 07/05/12 at 15:24:01
 
I've several hundred hours plus on the Silver Quad + interconnects that I have received from My Audio Cables, and I moved a pair from the second system and over to the main system, using them in place of a pair of cryoset.com cables between the phono preamp and the CSP2.

They now sound very good (and had been sounding very good between the DEC685 and the Torii Mk II in the second system). They are a bit 'faster' sounding than the MAC Ultra-Silver + cables that they otherwise resemble quite closely. These are cables for lovers of detail, there are plenty of nuances you'll hear with these and a good sense of dynamics as well. A "sunny" sound, not a bright one, that silver sound.

In comparison the cryoset.com cables have almost all of these qualities AND an enhanced sense of weight and solidity. It's just on the fuller side of a subtle difference, a significant one for those whose system may need that bit of heft or warmth. There's also audibly a smidgeon more depth to the cyroset.com cable sound. I prefer the cryoset.com cables for most material, but I could easily be happy with these in this position. The cryoset.com cables cost three times as much. So having them already, I'll definitely use them. But at the bargain prices that one can get the Silver Quad + and the Ultra-Silver +, these are good choices and a bargain at those prices.

Both of the MAC cables work very well in my second system, where speaker placement thickens the sound somewhat, and the sunny character is a benefit.
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Reply #115 - 07/05/12 at 16:26:47
 
Thanks for sharing. I am currently breaking in a set of UltraSilver+ ICs and CuQ SCs and like what I am hearing so far. My Torii should arrive in the next week, so I'm very interest to hear how they sound with my new toy. Also, it appears as if the MAC website is down. I contacted Steve, but haven't heard back yet.
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Reply #116 - 07/05/12 at 16:32:06
 
I noticed the website is down as well; hope they can get it back up (seems a whole group is down) as they're losing money! Sad

Glad you're enjoying breaking in the new cables. . . i bet that they'll really shine with the Torii!
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Reply #117 - 07/11/12 at 14:58:57
 
My Audio Cables website is back online:

http://www.myaudiocables.com/

Silver Quad + are up ten bucks.
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Reply #118 - 07/12/12 at 16:55:09
 
I really want to like the Burly cords more, and believe what Steve Halick and a few others say about them. After even more time seasoning in in the second system I tried them again in the main system.

And they did sound improved. They did sound improved in dynamics, and seem the equal to the AC-10 and AC-12 in that respect on a lot of material. And it's just possible that there's a bit more "black," that the cords may make the background slightly more black and quiet, but the flipside of that is there is more grain and a looser bass than the AC-10 and AC-12 bring to the system. So despite the improved sound and the strengths of these cables, I put them back in the bedroom system. The Burly worked best between the PS Audio Soloist (Ethereal version) wall outlet and the PS Audio Power Plant Premier, but even then there was that hint of grain and a lack of ease to listen to that the AC-12 brings in that spot.

Ah well, they'll stay put in the bedroom system now. In that system they are each feeding a PS Aduio Duet from the wall, and a PS Audio xStream Statement cord feeds the Torii Mk II from one (analog component) Duet, and the DEC685 from the other (digital component) Duet. On the analog leg the PS Audio GCPH is fed by a PS Audio xStream Plus SC, the preamp by a My Audio Cables HC, the turntable by its captive cord, and on the digital side the TV is connected with a Decware cord.

Guess I can stop spending money on power cords for a while. Smiley
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Reply #119 - 07/27/12 at 00:08:12
 
Hi Lon..  

I’m a noob to Decware and this forum, but a long-time audiofool.  I was perusing the forum looking for a Decware amp to buy to avoid the 12+ week wait (and having very little luck so far I might add) and somehow following links ended up here.  I couldn’t help but notice your praise for PS Audio SC and PW-AC pwr cords - +1, +2, +3 from me on this topic!   Smiley  There are none better IMO or experience.  And they got me off the pwr cord merry-go-round several years ago.  As with most “cables”, of any kind, “the connectors” are the most important component.  Yes… super-sonic-space-modulated metallurgy of the wire is important too, but the connector is where the rubber-meets-the-road.  PS pwr cords have heavy, solid, machined prongs.  I have yet to find any other brand, no matter the price, that has a connector even remotely in the same league as the PSA’s.  Pick your flavor, Wattgate, Oyaide.. etc.  they all have “stamped” prongs with “holes” in them – I don’t care what they’re plated with, they are a fraction of the PSA’s mass.  The designer cable may have 7 gauge, hyper-litz, spiraled, foamed Teflon insulation, continuous cast copper wire, but its all terminated at the ends to a micro fine plating of somekind, light gauge piece of “stamped” brass for prongs – think about it!.  In my experience, the PW-AC 12, like you praise, is about the equivalent of putting a good power conditioner or isolation transformer at you’re A/C source – the improvement is not subtle.  And I am talking "improvement" here - not just "different".  More rez, more micro and macro dynamics, blah, blah, blah - better - more like live music.  I too use the PSA PP Premier – takes the performance of every system I’ve ever tried it in (all mine and my audio buds systems), up several notches… but I digress – this an I/C topic… so on to that topic.

At the outset, let me state, that I am not an electrical engineer.  But I have good, close friends that are and I have read every technical white paper I can find on the principals and theory of the “transmission of analog audio frequencies over wire” that I could find.  The “ability” of a given piece of wire and its “connectors” to “accurately” transmit an analog frequency can be measured.  And subsequently the design of a cable and its connectors can be engineered to “effect” the signal passing thru them in a predetermined manner or to be “accurate”.  I won’t get into the electrical properties involved here as that would be a whole nother egg to fry.  However, as we all know, one may or may not “like” what the cable does to the sound in a particular system, but accuracy in the transmission of a given source signal can be attained.  But it involves knowing the output impedance of the source, and the input impedance of the target and engineering the interface(the cable) to match their electrical characteristics.  And thus those of us on the quest for the Holy Grail will never get there, because it is impossible for us to try every conceivable combination of source component, cable and downstream device possible until we get to that infinitely far away goal of perfection – the actual live performance in our listening spaces.  Once I finally realized this, I altered my quest to seek out “accuracy” as that is more feasibly obtained and choose components accordingly.  I have been chasing this carrot-on-a-stick goal for about 30 years.  I have owned more brands of cable than I can even enumerate.  But just to toss my 2-cents into this ring… I have found two brands of interconnects that, once again, got me off the interconnect merry-go-round; those designed and used to be sold by John Dunlavy of Dunlavy speaker fame, and Goertz/Alpha-Core.  Neither of these require 2nd mortgages and can be bought quite inexpensively used.  You may not “like” them in your system, but I have found them to be very neutral, “accurate” and revealing.  Dunlavy even included the testing measurements of his cables with each specific pair sold.  If you run across some – give’em a try.  The Goertz can be had in solid copper or solid silver forms.  I own both and they do allow for some tuning as they do sound different.  The Dunlavy’s only come in one flavor, as John designed for “accuracy” – period – end of story.  Dunlavy is long out of biz and John has passed on, so these would only be found used.  Goertz is still alive and well, but not generally well known.  Audiophile cables are a side-line of their main biz – transformer design and manufacture, so they do know what they’re doing..!!!

Now.. having said all that.  Since I have discovered "Decware".  I have been reading all of Steve's papers and poking around on this forum and have talked to Steve at length about his amps and what I'm seeking.  And beginning to learn what Decware is all about, I've got a pretty good hunch that Decware's cables are probably designed pretty well and are intentionally engineered to fall into the "accurate" electrical signal transmission camp and not in the "tone control" camp.  If I ever manage to purchase a Decware amp, I absolutely intend to try Decware cables too - why wouldn't you - it's almost a no brainer!   Wink
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