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Lon Seasoned Member "Love without guts is worthless!" Philip K. D*ck Posts: 5231	Re: Question About Shuguang Treasure 6CA7-Z Tubes Reply #15 - 06/17/11 at 21:57:26 Will be interesting to hear what Steve might say about them.
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Pale Rider Seasoned Member Posts: 1271	Re: Question About Shuguang Treasure 6CA7-Z Tubes Reply #16 - 06/17/11 at 22:06:01 They so cost too much, Lon. You are completely correct. Like great wine, first class to Asia, and mistakes you hope you won't repeat. But man oh man, once in a while, you just have to treat yourself. Shuguangs on top of V-Caps...................[and Steve is selling them, too, of course.]
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Re: Question About Shuguang Treasure 6CA7-Z Tubes
Reply #17 - 06/17/11 at 22:16:45

I fully understand. . . I've been treating myself far too much when I should stop. . . bought myself another guitar, a Martin D-15S, was too cheap to pass up and a lovely guitar now only made in the custom line. Love the 15 series, I have the smallest, an 00-15, until now my only acoustic guitar.

My one trepidation is. . . I've never found yet a tube made in China that I really liked, though I've only tried Ruby and Valve Art, but they were disappointing in comparison with US and European tubes. But. . I'm sure these are awesome. Can't wait to hear reports.

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Reply #18 - 06/17/11 at 22:28:08

One of my colleagues is a Conrad-Johnson owner. He thought they looked gorgeous, but said the same thing: "Chinese? Really" I pointed him to the reviews, including this one, which I found quite entertaining [though of a different tube], likewise here and here, and this one, the reviews on the site, the 6 Moons review, etc. And the fact that Steve sells them as an upgrade gave me some comfort I wasn't taking too much of a chance.

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Lon Seasoned Member "Love without guts is worthless!" Philip K. D*ck Posts: 5231	Re: Question About Shuguang Treasure 6CA7-Z Tubes Reply #19 - 06/17/11 at 22:58:50 I read that review when posted earlier. .. I agree that it's a promising review. I can't see myself ordering them for some time to come, but who knows, maybe one day! I'll stick with Winged C and Mullard reissues til then,
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Re: Question About Shuguang Treasure 6CA7-Z Tubes
Reply #20 - 06/17/11 at 23:09:58

I hear ya! I've got plenty of much more modestly priced tubes that I am loving on. Right now, I just swapped between the stock SV83s and the cryo'ed military CP15P-EV in my Taboo. At first, I wasn't sure I heard a big difference, but the stock SV83 seem a little more forward with a bit tubbier [though pleasant] bass. I paid $3 apiece for 11 of them from a fellow forum member. Can't beat that with a stick.

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kana813 Ex Member	Re: Question About Shuguang Treasure 6CA7-Z Tubes Reply #21 - 06/18/11 at 18:38:51 Pale Rider, Did you hear the TORII Mk.3 before you ordered two of them with V-Caps?
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Pale Rider Seasoned Member Posts: 1271	Re: Question About Shuguang Treasure 6CA7-Z Tubes Reply #22 - 06/18/11 at 19:03:33 Quote: Did you hear the TORII Mk.3 before you ordered two of them with V-Caps? kana813, I did not.
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kana813 Ex Member	Re: Question About Shuguang Treasure 6CA7-Z Tubes Reply #23 - 06/18/11 at 19:50:12 Gee, two V-Cap TORIIs that can't be returned and two sets of Shuguangs, that's a very big leap of faith. I'm not as confident, so I ordered the stock version. Plus, if I was going to upgrade the caps, I'd rather have Auri-Ts.
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Lon Seasoned Member "Love without guts is worthless!" Philip K. D*ck Posts: 5231	Re: Question About Shuguang Treasure 6CA7-Z Tubes Reply #24 - 06/18/11 at 20:07:31 That is a big leap of faith. PR has had a Taboo though, and once you have a Zen amp, you believe that another Zen amp could be da bomb. I think he's going to love the amps, without any doubt. Hope you both manage to get yours PDQ!
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Re: Question About Shuguang Treasure 6CA7-Z Tubes
Reply #25 - 06/18/11 at 20:25:33

Lon said it. Three things factor into my confidence: (1) the passion and goals/theory of the designer; (2) the enthusiasm of other customers; (3) my experience with the Taboo (which has V-caps), that validated #1 and #2.

So, when Steve offers the V-caps and the Treasures as the only "real" upgrades on the Torii, and his pricing for them is also very reasonable, that speaks persuasively to me. I ordered the former with the amp build, of course, while I ordered the Shuguangs separately after doing more research and knowing I had plenty of time before the Toriis arrive.

As for the Auri-Ts, to each their own; one reason it is a great hobby. But given my confidence in Steve's voicing of the amps, I am comfortable with the V-caps. Plus, while I have plenty of experience soldering and building, I have no desire to open up a Torii and swap caps myself. The V-caps were the only real way to go for me.

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Lon Seasoned Member "Love without guts is worthless!" Philip K. D*ck Posts: 5231	Re: Question About Shuguang Treasure 6CA7-Z Tubes Reply #26 - 06/18/11 at 21:10:04 There's also this review of the 6CA7-Z http://www.tnt-audio.com/accessories/shuguang_treasures_el34_kt66_e.html
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Pale Rider Seasoned Member Posts: 1271	Re: Question About Shuguang Treasure 6CA7-Z Tubes Reply #27 - 06/18/11 at 21:13:56 Hey Lon, thanks for that link. I had missed that one. I especially enjoyed the recommendation of the "recording issued by Tone-Pearls Records in Ireland: Chopin and Debussy: Piano Music in a Church performed solo by the Hungarian born musician Endre Hegedus." Ordered the DVD of the higher-res files.
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Reply #28 - 06/18/11 at 23:18:18

Lon, you may be interested in this: based on the rec in one of the reviews (i.e., that the purported grading of STs by some oline retailers is baloney), I decided to order a set of the STs from a Chinese reseller on fleabay. They are much cheaper there. I plan to test them in my B&K when they get here. My own inverse version of dollar cost averaging. Wink

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Lon Seasoned Member "Love without guts is worthless!" Philip K. D*ck Posts: 5231	Re: Question About Shuguang Treasure 6CA7-Z Tubes Reply #29 - 06/19/11 at 00:12:57 Cool. Keep me posted how they test out, and whether they match well etc. I did read that in that one review and wonder.
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