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Re: VCAP's in TORII MK III
Reply #30 - 05/31/11 at 20:13:18
 
I don't think it does, if it did he'd probably have mentioned it in this thread:

http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showthread.php?t=244147&highlight=torii
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Re: VCAP's in TORII MK III
Reply #31 - 05/31/11 at 20:19:12
 
Thanks for the thread reference Lon. I agree that, in that context, I think VCAPs would have been mentioned if they were in the unit. Looking forward to this review.
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Re: VCAP's in TORII MK III
Reply #32 - 05/31/11 at 22:30:41
 
I posted this on Audiogon (pending moderator approval) ....1st post there I guess. Ah just another singer in the Decware choir!

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I understand the interest in comparing Decware to other stuff, but I, like many Decware users are either long-time audiophiles, DIYers or/and musicians….a crowd that is accustomed to critical listening. I personally prefer to compare Decware to life. This is not the same as comparing gear, but it is the most valid comparator I can think of. I just want it to feel as real as I can get it without breaking the bank. I also want a certain level of flexibility within this "realness." This requires that special balance of detail, liquidity, tonal balance, weight, definition, openness and all those other things we try to describe sound we love with. But those things are never enough…..it needs that special indescribable quality that makes me happy and amazed when I listen. The final determinant: does it suck me in to the music.... am I fully engaged and captivated by the music? And this can't happen unless it sounds and feels extremely lucid and complete.

As to whether the Torii is too detailed. The amp is very detailed in every respect  due to its quality, simple and synergistic design….it even uses regulator tubes in parallel for power filters. But is also liquid, slightly warm, and has deep and detailed bass….not cold. All delivered with speed and open, harmonically textured definition. If you look at the Decware forum, you will not find many Torii posts wanting more bass. For more, this amp taught us that more room treatment may be needed to utilize the amazing bass it offers. Anyway, I would call the detail real, not hard or clinical.

You also have five sets of tubes you can roll, so not to worry if the voicing from Decware (which is very good) needs adjustment to your tastes. It is a tribute to how revealing the amp is that all of them make big differences in my system. Even a 50s-60s tungsol OB3 reg compared to Sylvania OB3s of the same period are similar, but real choices…not to mention more apparent tubes like many available 6-type input tubes. And with the bass pots, treble cut knobs, bias and impedance switches, Decware starts us off well, but gives a lot of flexibility to tailor the amp to tastes.

Not that I want the amp to gather too much attention as it takes a while to get stuff as it is, but this might answer the question about Decware going to shows....it appears that they have more than enough to do as it is!

And yes I am biased, and glad I found them. Their design work suits my ears and budget.

Happy Listening!

Will
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Re: VCAP's in TORII MK III
Reply #33 - 05/31/11 at 23:10:52
 
Excellent post Will. I wish Decware nothing but more success, but I also don't want to increase Torii waiting times. Wink
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Re: VCAP's in TORII MK III
Reply #34 - 06/01/11 at 07:26:15
 
TP/Jeff's initial impressions posted on audiocircle:

"It's a really special amplifier...

Quite possibly the best EL 34 amp I've heard.  All the qualities of my favorite amps rolled into one!"

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Reply #35 - 06/01/11 at 14:15:11
 
Thanks Kana....Great signature!
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Re: VCAP's in TORII MK III
Reply #36 - 06/02/11 at 03:49:16
 
It doesn't look as if the Torii MK III made it into the current issue of Tone Audio.  I am glad the reviewer is giving the amp a chance to break in.  I looked at the thread over on Steve Hoffman's forum and saw Steve soliciting user input re tube-rolling.  I am a bit surprised he didn't come here.  There are some excellent tube-rolling posts on this forum.  Someone should email him their thoughts before he finishes the review and it goes to press.


Will and Greg -- Nice posts over at AudiogoN.
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Re: VCAP's in TORII MK III
Reply #37 - 06/02/11 at 03:56:41
 
Personally, I think he should review the amp with stock tubes. That would provide a reference for others.

But I doubt he spent any time at all with stock tubes.

Anyway it will be interesting to read his review as he's big into the high dollar bling thing.
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Re: VCAP's in TORII MK III
Reply #38 - 06/02/11 at 04:08:33
 
Thanks Michael. Looks like my post got chopped down by 2/3. Ah well.

Lon, I agree. I would rather read--and I think the vast majority of people unfamiliar with Decware would be better served by reading--a review of stock tubes. That would be the Decware voice.
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Re: VCAP's in TORII MK III
Reply #39 - 06/02/11 at 05:01:28
 
Thanks Mac. Greg's Agon post got chopped and mine got doubled....sort of. I agree that stock tubes would be the best. This is the way the amp was made and it would be a better service as a review if the stock were used. It'll sound great.
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Re: VCAP's in TORII MK III
Reply #40 - 06/02/11 at 08:01:17
 
I guess only Steve(?) knows what he sent TP/Jeff for review.

I agree that a review with the stock tubes would be the best introduction to Decware for TP's readers.

I'm hoping TP/Jeff does compare the TORII MK III to the other high end
amps he has access to.

After TP/Jeff, I think Steve should send a TORII MK III to Art Dudley at Stereophile to see how it stacks up against his favorite Shindo amps.



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Re: VCAP's in TORII MK III
Reply #41 - 06/03/11 at 02:00:22
 
After TP/Jeff, I think Steve should send a TORII MK III to Art Dudley at Stereophile to see how it stacks up against his favorite Shindo amps.

Fat chance.  Now, I am only repeating what I have read elsewhere but Stereophile purportedly does not accept equipment for review unless the manufacturer has an established dealer network.  

If I am mistaken, my appologies.
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Re: VCAP's in TORII MK III
Reply #42 - 06/03/11 at 02:57:52
 
Up to a point, there is some merit in the goal of such a policy. If the goal is to make sure that a designer/manufacturer is sound, reputable, and reliable, that would be one surrogate, but what about the rather significant number of manufacturers who sell direct? Ohm comes to mind as an example of a long-time manufacturer that sells direct with a very generous in-home trial policy. So, if that policy is exclusive, it is a disservice to readers. If it is but one of several alternative benchmarks, it would be tolerable.
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Re: VCAP's in TORII MK III
Reply #43 - 06/05/11 at 00:16:19
 
This "policy", again, this is just what I have read, has long been a source of aggravation for fans of smaller manufacturers, especially direct manufacturers, who make high quaility equipment and don't advertise.  Lack of advertising support is often whispered about as one reason why products don't get reviewed.  I can't count how many times I would like to have seen Stereophile review a speaker from Salk Sound, AudioKinesis, Ohm, or Decware, or an amp from Decware, Odyssey, or Response Audio.  In fact, at least one offering from each of Decware's product lines would be very interesting.

Greg, one online publisher who apparently doesn't have those restrictions is 6moons.com.  Next to AD, I would like to see Srajan Ebaen review Decware.  He often times drives me to distraction with his meandering sometimes dense prose; neverthess, he loves to drill down and his reviews are very extensive.
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Re: VCAP's in TORII MK III
Reply #44 - 06/05/11 at 01:14:48
 
Yeah, the writing at 6moons often reminds me of high school purple prose ("if I sound dense, obtuse, murky, and mysterious, perhaps people will regard me as meaningful"). Undisciplined writing is fine for coffee house poetry or beer bong romances, but it does little for technical or auditory elucidation of fine distinctions between equipment and sounds. However, they did a nice writeup of the ZDAC. And I think they did one on the original Triode, right?  Would love to see a Torii review. And of course, with my choice of the Ltra, I am hoping to see some in-depth reviews of that.
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