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Re: What capacitor should I use to upgrade sound?
Reply #105 - 02/17/17 at 02:44:37
 
JOMAN, I can't believe you dropped that kind of coin without ever listening to Omega speakers. Holy smokes! But all I can say is I am 100% certain you will not be disappointed. My first experience hearing Omega speakers changed my entire perspective on audio, and it was just a couple of years ago. That listening session precipitated an entire move into SET. I read Steve's email a few weeks ago about the SUPER3HO XRS when they first launched and I was initially excited until I saw the price. Just too rich for my blood. From memory, I believe it is similar to Louis' other Outlaw models, with at least one Alnico driver. I do know Omega people are very active on Audio Circle and there is some great info there. You are a very lucky audiophile!

Additional note about the Mullar GZ32/CV593 - in the recitifer thread it is rated down a ways, but the review is excellent. States it sounds similar to the GEC U52, which is my dream tube! Now I've got to get a Mullard GZ32!
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Reply #106 - 02/17/17 at 02:57:31
 
Will,
Can I ask what your personal favorite rectifiers might include? Looks like I should scoop up some GZ32 tubes. There are Mullards floating around for <$50 and plenty of other brands too like the Mazda and Philips. I may try some.
Can I ask what 7DJ8 you like? I've got a pair of Telefunken I have not listened to yet and also a GEC pinched waist 7DJ8 that I bought from a gentleman in Spain (I've spent way too much money on tubes this lat year). At first I did not care for the GEC in my Decware Taboo amp, but really like it now in my Dennis Had KT88 amp.
Sorry for the massive amount of posting...I just have a few minutes on my hands with the wife and kid asleep...shhhh.
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Reply #107 - 02/17/17 at 04:01:56
 
doukhobar,

I did say that I was a little psychotic, didn't I.  Not really.  

I've been at this since 1975. 21 at the time.  I've owned speakers at twice that price and had lengthy exposure to speakers in the 6 figure bracket.  Likewise with systems.  The ones that I owned were all auditioned before I bought only to be unhappy over time.

The conclusion that I came to is that auditioning in anything but your own space over a period of time that allows components to burn in is of little value.  

After awhile you begin to get a sense for what you are happy with. I spent the last 5 plus years testing this by buying preowned components without any auditioning and found that I could do better than auditioning first.  Also by buying preowned I could resell and often break even or in some cases come out ahead.

I am now determined to make this my last series of purchases and focus entirely on music.  After lengthy conversations with Steve and testing I came to the point that I was ready to by new again.

Turned out that I picked up a CSP3 pre owned by coincidence, a new ZDSD, and on Steves recommendation I found HD800's preowned... and the results were better, way better, than the results of anything that I had auditioned prior to purchasing.

That gave me the confidence to buy the final links in the chain prior to auditioning.

Now look at a couple of examples:

Sen. HD800:  New about $1,800.00.  I bought a pristine pair for $700.00.  I could try them in my own space with my components and if I did't like the result I could resell for $800.00.

New Omegas $2,295.00:  Try in my own space. If it's a no go I can return for a restocking of 10% plus freight here and back.  How can I go wrong?  Most audiophiles will loose 50% of the purchase price if they are not happy.
If the Omegas are even close to Steve's informal review, then, IMO they are a bargain.

The Zen Select:  Steve says try it.  If it doesn't work by another Zen amp for the difference and keep listening until the replacement is ready to ship.  Talk about an offer you can't refuse.

This may not work for everyone.  But it certainly has for me and your comments about the Omegas tell me that I probably will not be disappointed.

Thanks
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Reply #108 - 02/17/17 at 05:26:18
 
doukhobar. I forgot to respond to your saying you had Clarity caps in the ERRs. If they are from the last three to four years, I am guessing Clarity SA. It is a pretty nice cap, having a lot of what we want...but a little over blown and affected in detailed texture aspects in the HR1s if I recall, probably contributing to your sense of brightness...I wanted smoother and more refined detail.

Mundorf Supremes, powerful with smooth, and, at least bypassed with Russian K40-Ys PIOs, more warm/big body with plenty of more refined detail after the long burnin.... That is one notable level up to me.

Double the price, and you have Jupiter VTs, ...a friendly and atmospheric cap that is not dark or dense, but warm in a natural way....but not dulled by darkness.... having good speed and refined detail in beautiful space...refined enough not to really sound like "detail" if you know what I mean...just real.

Then double the price again, you have the Jupiter Coppers, at sonicraft's current price anyway. I would love to hear these in my speakers, but just did not want to pay (400 at the time I bought the VTs). As it is as a coupling cap, I imagine this cap would be pretty flawless for tweeters. I love the VTs, guessing they are probably more atmospheric than the Coppers, but can only guess. VT stands for vintage. Based on coupling sound, I would think the Coppers would more-or-less disappear, leaving nothing out, and adding nothing in particular, but doing it in a spacious, natural feeling way.

As to rectifiers and inputs, I would have to think some on that. Seems the "best" is a lot about what else we have in our system/room, but there sure are nicer tubes within that.
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Re: What capacitor should I use to upgrade sound?
Reply #109 - 02/17/17 at 21:02:47
 
Regarding rectifiers: years ago Will's comments about them made me seek out "coke bottle shaped" rectifiers and Now I can hardly live without them. They have a finesse that straight-shouldered, big or small, don't seem to in my machines.

For years I have been running what were purported to be 'forties RCA 5V4 bottle shaped RCAs in my Torii and like the porridge Goldilocks decided on I found them just right, with the right balance of warmth and detail and imaging for the other tubes in my amp. But when my latest component, the PS Audio PerfectWave Memory Player, was brand new I just was not getting the tonal balance I was before and I experimented with tubes and found that putting a pair of bottle-shaped Silvania 5U4 rectifiers gave me a return to the sound I wanted. As the component broke in (I don't know why a transport would have such a dramatic break in cycle, but this did) the sound became nicely detailed with an air open midrange and a tight bass. But with a lot of seasoning some recordings seems just a bit clinical and I wondered what I could do. I remembered the RCA 5V4s and put this in in place of the Sylvania. . . and wow, not only is the clinical emphasis defeated but there's more spaciousness and the only trade off is a bit of high end detail and clarity, which has in fact made the sound more "real" to me and less Hi-fi-like. So I haven't used the GZ32 type but it's American cousin the 5V4 is a really good choice for the Torii Mk III.

I don't have access to the capacitors in my HR-1s but those that Bob selected for me seem to be doing a fine job. I have had to go back to the Mundorf Supreme resistors as one of the leads to the Duelund Standard Carbon-Silvers came loose from the resistor due to  near-daily wire unfastening and fastening caused by my need to move the speakers to suit my wife. I have another pair of Duelunds on back order and they should come into stock zoon (I hope). I'm happy with the Mundorf but there's an immediacy that I miss from the Duelund sound.
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Reply #110 - 02/25/17 at 21:34:48
 
Interesting side note I just found my clarity cap capacitors that came with my ERR's and they 3.9's. I thought the whole time they were 3.3, makes more sense why I went with the 3.9 mundorfs. Bought some Jupiter VT 3.3 to compare. At first listen they definitely sound different. Simple music sounds fantastic but more complex and it is really bright. Will burn in and check back in.

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Reply #111 - 02/25/17 at 21:44:40
 
Hey JD,

Never know, the 3.3/3.9 thing may be your friend? Hope they sound good with some burnin. A lot of room for tuning with bypasses too!

The VTs will change a lot...They will richen, becoming more spacious, complex and deeper. Don't forget to try them both directions, with the line toward the speaker ground, and with it toward the hot speaker wire. One way or the other will sound better. Not sure how much the directional effect shows once fully burned in, but a big difference here when new, and after a few weeks. I started with mine backwards, the line toward the hot terminal, and they have stayed that way. But I think this was the more open/detailed way, so you may prefer the other....at least for now.
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Reply #112 - 02/26/17 at 14:23:26
 
Thanks for that info Will. I had them "regular" and they were way too bright. "Backwards" or towards the hot are fantastic. They are extremely rich and detailed and not overwhelming at all. Listening to an acoustic fm music program this morning and really enjoying. I did have to cut a prior pair of resistor wires to attach/rig to the end of these to make them fit/connect, they are huge.


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Reply #113 - 02/26/17 at 16:22:54
 
Great to hear they are better backwards! I really like these caps.

The thing Jupiter seems to have over many others is that they actually sound good to start. Then the cooler thing...they get better with time like all the others too, moving into exceptional territory! The natural/warm/smooth conveyance of highly complex detail in space is so amazing once burnt in, it can be heart rending.

Yes they are huge...I had to work a little to get a good connection to the terminals on the HR1s, and support them from below with damping material, being concerned about too much tension on the wires with the weight of the caps!
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Reply #114 - 02/26/17 at 16:40:49
 
By the way. I ran the Black Duelund Carbon Cast 3.0 Resistors for weeks, and really did end up appreciating them. I found the same as Joman, they take a while to burn in fully, and once they do, the intensity compared to the 3.0 Standards does calm down some. And there is no doubt to me the Casts sound amazing. I could make them work beautifully if I did not have the Standards to fall back on. At this point, I still find them very impressive, but "too there" ...a little too demanding for my system/room and tastes.

Putting back in the Standards after getting used to the Casts, I was a little non-plussed. I had adjusted the system a bit to integrate the more forceful Casts, so changing back, at first the Standards seemed a little too "not there." But at the same time, I felt a big relief. Finally, to me, the Standards are pretty much neutral and transparent, and the Casts have everything the Standards have, more powerfully/forcefully conveyed.....Good choices to have!
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Reply #115 - 03/11/17 at 21:44:14
 
Just a beginning update. I got some 0.33 Jantzen Superiors, and some 0.33 Audyn True Coppers to try as bypasses for the 3.3 Jupiter VTs. You might remember I was beginning to notice things about Mundorfs that did not become clear until the Jupiters were in, but had been bothering me for some time. It seems Mundorf Supremes (including silver/oils) have a compression factor that contributes to signal density in a way that can feel "off" once noticed. At the same time, they sound pretty "right" in logical ways, but if they do not "feel" right, they are not quite right.

That said, I really did liked the Mundorf Silver/oils bypassing the Jupiters, a really good sound for the most part. But the Audyns, in now, though perhaps very slightly "technical," they have beautiful open flow, no sense of compression, just very open, revealing, and balanced free flow. Good copper foil is something to love, beautifully open and revealing with round, rich and complex musicality. Quite beautiful with the Jupiter VTs.

I had burned the True Coppers and Jantzens in on my FryBaby for 125+ hours, and then in the system for another 30-40, so I expect more from them with more time...some more refinement of fine information and smoothing, but would probably be happy with either of these as is. The coppers have been in for the last five days, and they have really grown on me, becoming more and more emotionally involved.

I will try to do a comparison between the these and the Silver/oils in the next several days.
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