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Nick C
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FS: model SE84C #599
02/15/10 at 22:14:45
 
I bought this amp,new, in Dec, 2004. It works great and I have no complaints. The problem is that my housing situation is changing and I need to consolidate three audio systems into two and that leaves my low powered tube amp the odd amp out.

I'll include whatever other tubes I have and will willingly answer any questions you have, but there shouldn't be too many if you are on this forum and you are familiar with this model.

$350 OBO plus $15 shipping in the lower 48 states. Smiley
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Re: FS: model SE84C #599
Reply #1 - 02/16/10 at 12:53:20
 
Hi, Nick.

I sent you a PM. I am definitely interested.
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Re: FS: model SE84C #599
Reply #2 - 02/16/10 at 16:02:47
 
Sounds good.
Email me at carvern@gmail.com to make arrangements

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Re: FS: model SE84C #599
Reply #3 - 02/20/10 at 00:19:55
 
The funds are in the mail system as I post this.

I hope they find you early in the coming week.

I can't freeaking wait!!
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Re: FS: model SE84C #599
Reply #4 - 02/20/10 at 00:58:26
 
Congrats on your amp purchase,D. Dawg. The more other amps & systems I hear, the more the "little" Decwares amaze!
Best, Don
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Re: FS: model SE84C #599
Reply #5 - 02/22/10 at 21:24:59
 
Thanks, Don. I am SO excited to have another to toy around with. (Well, it's NOT been done yet, but I trust that things will go as prescribed.)

My curiosity is beginning to mound regarding whether or not I should send all three to Steve for any "tune-ups" or balancing acts  that might be needed.

Upgrading would be a second discussion. I am pleased with the native sound and the original functionality suits my uses. The only thing I am really considering is to have Steve's crew set them internally to mono usage.

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Re: FS: model SE84C #599
Reply #6 - 02/22/10 at 22:13:26
 
Sold. Shipped out today.

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Re: FS: model SE84C #599
Reply #7 - 02/22/10 at 23:32:44
 
Bless you, Nick!
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Re: FS: model SE84C #599
Reply #8 - 02/24/10 at 23:53:32
 
It is done!!

The amplifier arrived in perfect condition and it is warming up right now.

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Re: FS: model SE84C #599
Reply #9 - 02/26/10 at 00:36:54
 
OK, I have to relate this to the entire "class."  (scary stuff!)

I just got this amp, yesterday, and of course, even though I knew it would work fine, I wanted to Make Sure that it worked, since I just bought it. I did not want to disassemble any of my existing systems just to test the amp, yet.

So, I grabbed an old set of cheaper Yamaha bookshelf speakers, from the dusty areas of my garage shelves - a pair slated for donation to more needy people, honestly (a set I acquired from an estate auction and, quite frankly, I have better speakers to give away to other people who would appreciate to own a set of speakers). It is a set of speakers that are not even considered good enough for my garage system anymore. (I needed to put a load on the amp and this was something similar to a speaker load.)

I am also out of desirable cabling, so I cut up an extension cord for speaker wires. I scrounged to find some old AudioQuest interconects and hooked it all up to my plain old DVD player (the one in my bedroom - the bedroom system is little more than a night light in reality. I put in a movie turn the sound down and close my eyes - get it?). The speakers were set on my "undresser" about two feet apart -  it is the place where I unload my pockets before I step into the shower.

All I was going for was to determine for certain that my newly acquired amplifier actually works. I got it going and it warmed up as I put the kids down for the evening. The amazing thing is that every time I walked by (bathroom trip, tooth brushing trip, night clothes change trip, etc. etc.) I was forced to pause, due to the incredible sound from this makeshift trial set up.

I HAD TO STOP - I JUST HAD TO STOP - AND EXPERIENCE THE AMAZINGLY DEEP SOUNDSTAGE (speakers are two feet apart, remember), INCREDIBLE FIDELITY (speakers are inefficient junk, remember, and I am using zip cord and terrible low level connectors), THE ENGAGING DRAW OF THIS (worse than minimal) SET-UP AND THE CLARITY THAT I HAD NEVER IMAGINED POSSIBLE FROM THIS SET OF "THROW AWAY, HUNDRED DOLLAR SPEAKERS."  I HAD TO STOP EVERY TIME I WALKED BY, JUST TO EXPERIENCE THE IMPOSSIBLE!!

I have not taken it apart, yet. I wanted to see if I was just high on something new last night and that feeling would go away as I sit quietly and determine if I am more F_O_S than I had previously thought.

NO!

This stupidly inadequate system sounds absolutely amazing! It is one median quality (Pioneer) DVD player, direct to the Zen, with cheapest (consumer grade six inch, two-way Yamaha) speakers I own.  There is no way to describe the unbelievable depth of the sound using BS, thrown-together sCrap for everything but the heart and soul of the system.

I honestly expected the amp to work perfectly, but I was not completely prepared for what I was hearing. This is amazing. It is my third ZenC amp, so I have been impressed by these little guys a number of times in the past, but I have never tried to go so far from ideal, before.

I can't really post adequate superlatives to describe my eye-opening, nearly traumatic audio experience, but I know that I am not alone.
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Re: FS: model SE84C #599
Reply #10 - 02/26/10 at 23:58:14
 
OK.  I am done gushing.

I plan to educate myself further in the ways of the audiophile using this "All SH!T but The Middle" system.

I have had quite a bit of trouble with the entire "audiophile"  mindset, in the past. It is mainly due to the subtleties that some claim to attribute to huge differences in listening pleasure. I have a decent set of ears and I know it. No one could spend almost twenty years in pro audio as a sound man, without being able to actually listen to what their ears are hearing.  Mostly, I hear OK, still, and better than average for a man my age, according to the docs after my injury three (plus) years ago. I have created a mission for myself - an exploratory one.

The first thing I did was to move the speakers to a more advantageous separation distance and find the sweet spot, again.  The next thing I want to do is improve the "zipcord"  speaker wire with various things that I have read about on this forum.

I would love to have some suggestions from others as to how to best go about my exploration. I want to hear "EVERYTHING."


If anyone does anything more than ignore my quest, I will start another thread and further document my journey. Otherwise, I will do all this on my own and that will be as it may.
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Re: FS: model SE84C #599
Reply #11 - 02/27/10 at 00:52:53
 
Start another thread DD!  I for one would love to follow your progress.

I will offer this much advice:  if you can, consider seriously using Steve's speaker cable and interconnects.  I've never ever heard speaker cable like Steve's and I've heard quite a few different types and brands and price points.  It's just really honest and direct and responsive.  The interconnects are also the best that I've heard. If you need a longer length or want to save 20 to 40 percent, the silver Audioquest that is sold at HCM Audio (seems they bought a large quantity of wire) is nearly as good I believe (so far, I've had it in use nearly a week and it's great with my dvr, better than all th other cables I've tried except the Decware) and is about one fifth the original (overpriced, yeah) cost.

I really think everything is important and shapes what you hear. If you want to hear EVERYTHING you have to choose amp, speakers and source that will give you EVERYTHING as well as cabling for speakers and components and even power that won't color that everything. (But you know that.)  Anyway with Decware cabling I know that it makes sense to just stop and enjoy unless you win the lottery.

With that amp, you've got a great start.  (I've had to go a different route because I fell in love with a design of speakers that just aren't all they can be with that amp).  And if you get the cabling right, you're one more step in that direction.

But remember: if you hear everything, it can be very unsettling except for a small number of recordings. . . .
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Re: FS: model SE84C #599
Reply #12 - 02/27/10 at 05:33:18
 
My advice would be to leave it as it is and enjoy yourself. There are many times, when I think to myself ' was it better when it was simple??'

shreekant Smiley
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Re: FS: model SE84C #599
Reply #13 - 02/27/10 at 21:07:40
 
Honestly, Shreekant, I have tried to leave things as they are many times in the past. I can tell you that it WILL NOT HAPPEN.

I will be jacking with stuff, no matter what else happens.

I just wanted to relate my renewed interest in what this type of minimalist amplifier can do for/to all who attempt this impassable trek. I have been listening quietly for over two years now, with only altering my speakers (very slightly) and input systems (freaking buttloads, actually).  I am almost ready to just throw in the cards, but I also want to know what the next card is.


BTW, I have been doing nothing but enjoying this little system for two days now. I have done no more tweaks than to install a lighting stand adapter to the backs of the "THROW AWAY SPEAKERS"  so I could get them out some into the room, upon stands (old gear that I used in photography - I chose the steel stands, capable of supporting three hundred pounds each, because of their massive construction and lack of any resonance) using some of my old pro lighting stands  for the task, widening the soundstage to about seven feet.  My sweet spot is about eight feet away from the plane of the two speakers. The speakers are angled in at about thirty degrees for this forward area of sweetness. I am not on axis of the speakers, but about ten or fifteen degrees on each side inside the direct sound. (The speakers face just slightly outward from where I am sitting for the best sound.) Also, I have not listened to anything else but my overblown movie rig, which I accept as over the top with facia blasts, by design. I don't take that system seriously at all. It is intended to hurt people and make them cry. It works for this, but I am immune.
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Re: FS: model SE84C #599
Reply #14 - 03/03/10 at 22:40:55
 
I will , Lon,  but as I do not need this particular system functional, I will leave it as it is, (as Shreekantt suggests, but out of distraction, rather than satisfaction.) for the time being, approaching it only as needed to remind myself how far away from ideal I can go and still find magic to listen to.

I have some silver coated AudioQuest speaker cables that I may dig out next (assuming of course that I have not given them away to another more worthy person - I am not even sure where to look for them after the massive move a few years back) and play with some. (I used to have a large degree of respect for all that was AudioQuest and somewhere there are literally a dozen or more  "pounds"  of cabling for my use. Honestly, the reason I packed them all up together was that they were some of my better cables.)

Honestly, I am more interested in building the OBs and getting the proper drivers, right now. I will toy with the cables, minimally, but I want to make my next fantasy upgrade a set of speakers - OBs, that is.

When I get another thread ready, you will know that I have made some movements.


Thank you for advising me. I will eventually try out the Decware cabling you suggested.
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