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Reply #15 - 07/30/09 at 16:07:12
 
In the middle of the room huh?  I can't do that unless I dispense with a dining room table, but yeah, I bet they sound good there.

I remember from over a dozen years ago reading about setting up speakers half way into the room and getting really excellent results.
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Reply #16 - 07/31/09 at 04:04:46
 
Zen DAC???  I this in the works???  Could be worth the wait.
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Reply #17 - 07/31/09 at 12:19:27
 
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Reply #18 - 08/16/09 at 04:12:54
 
Ok - so it has been quite some time since I have log on.  I am at the point with ERRs where I would like to play around with the resistors and the capacitors to really dial them in, yet I am not sure what I am doing?  My assumption is that if my ERRs sound a little "bright" then I need to increase the resistance for each speaker?  Any guidance would be much appreciated!
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Reply #19 - 08/16/09 at 16:07:06
 
I don't have ERR or any experience with them, but I believe yes, the answer is a higher resister leads to "less brightness." The higher ohmage would represent more resistance/restriction of the tweeter output.
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Reply #20 - 08/16/09 at 23:04:16
 
my radial 1.5's came with a 5 ohm resistor installed, but I tried a mundorf 18 ohm and found that the balance is better. It may sound a bit warm at first, but that is the nature of the radial design.
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Reply #21 - 08/20/09 at 05:00:51
 
Thanks for the advice - my ERRs came with the 3 ohm installed.  I am running the 5 ohm's now.  This has reduced the "brightness".  18 ohm???  That seems like it huge leap in resistance?  Why the Mundorf?  Thanks!
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Reply #23 - 08/21/09 at 00:21:51
 
Yes, those are the ones I use. I chose them because they were closest to the value I thought would work best, Madisound stocks them and has fair shipping charges, and they are supposed to be good quality. However, according to Steve the ERR's are 1db more efficient than the 1.5's so you might want to try 15-16 ohm? The radial design lends itself to a warm tonality so at first it may seem slightly dark, but as your ears adjust and the drivers loosen up you will probably appreciate this approach. This will make for a balanced "direct" sound and a warm "reflected" sound. With omni and dipole type speakers the brain is usually better able to distinguish the direct from the reflected sound if the they are properly set up. Anyway, That's what works for me. --Greg
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Reply #24 - 08/21/09 at 00:30:26
 
Fyi: with the radial tweeter, 3ohm -4db, 5ohm -6db, 15ohm -12db.

15-18 ohm would have seemed like a lot to me in the beginning, but just let your speakers break in and your ears/brain adjust.

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Reply #25 - 08/22/09 at 03:06:06
 
Thanks Greg!!!!

Part are on order, I'll let you know the outcome.

Best regards,

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Reply #26 - 08/29/09 at 00:01:43
 
Good evening!

reading through this post I was thinking how we seemed to like the ERRs set up closer to the center and fairly close together. It really did make them vanish in the room where I got to listen to them.

As for the resistor, my first thought was a 16ohm. The tweeters are crossed over very high so you cutting down the brightness on a low level sound at a gradual slope. It sounds like a lot, but realistically, you could put a 300ohm resistor on them and they could still be listenable. the difference from 3 to 5 ohms probably won't make much difference, but going up to 15, 16, 18, or maybe 24 should be noticeable. Depending on the cap itself, you could hear a difference too. I know Ziggy has his preferences for caps as do I and everyone else. The Mundorf is a good cap and I am betting you like what you get from that. Depending on how much "too bright" you think they are, an email to Bob or Steve might be the best way to get started.

Enjoy your new speakers! I know I can't wait to convert my current office into a listening room!

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