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Re: Zenfest, an early report.
Reply #15 - 10/08/07 at 04:34:06

The reason that you do not see anything about the Kadence speakers on the Decware site is very simple. As the description reads, these are from a marketing line-up designated under the DECKERT/ZIEGLER RETAIL LINE WHICH IS SEPERATE FROM DECWARE ITSELF.

I am not authorized to disclose any more details about this line as it is a future project still in the works. Bob or Steve would be your direct source of information about this at this time. Dealer networks are in the process of being developed for this line. This is why the Kadence and the other two new designs are dubbed RETAIL VERSIONS ONLY.

It will not be long before these become available. Word will get out when the appropriate time has evolved to do so. Decfest just opened the doors to give you a little taste of what's to come.

Being retail means that these will be sold from authorized dealers in actual audio stores. This opens up and expands the opportunity for more people to actualy audition these in person before they purchase.

Many new and exciting things are about to develope in the near future. Until this all comes into play, everyone interested is simply just needing to wait until then for these speakers to become available.

The reason that I have had a set of the Kadence speakers for what is actually around 18 months, is for very good reason. I own the actual prototype set that brought life into this new design. My job was to live with it, test it thouroughly in comparison to other speakers in the line up and provide feedback for the final production model.

I made this clear about these speakers along with the new Retail Radial design during last years Decfest. Yes, I also have a set of the original 'prototype' RETAIL RADIAL models in finished form. These have had slight cosmetic changes done to the latest design seen at this years event. There have been some updated upgrades as well on the new radial design since I recieved my evaluation set.

It takes time for a new line-up to develope. It didn't happen overnight by some magical wave from the fairies wand a week before the fest!

I can assure you that this line up is only beginning it's journey, let alone any sort of dissapearing act any time soon.

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Re: Zenfest, an early report.
Reply #16 - 10/08/07 at 17:46:16

The open Baffles have been mentioned several times in this thread, and for good reasons. They had a sound all their own! Late Saturday night, my friend Josiah put some White Stripes on the cd player. As much of a Stripes fan that I am, I avoided playing em because I figured their recordings weren't the best for demonstrating the capibilities of the Decware line. I came into the room and sat down, rather casually, but was very soon drawn into the music. After a few songs, we began to converse about where we heard the drums, or where Jack White's guitar amp was sitting. It was nice to sit in the studio with the White Stripes for awhile. One song, the image drastically changed, and it sounded like I was in the back of a 30ft room while they were playing in the front of the room. It was so engaging! This is all saying nothing about the tonality of the speakers. Overall, the tonality was excellent. It was very balanced and nuetral from the midrange up to the high frequencies. The bass left something to be desired. It sounded like a 3 way with the woofer disconnected. Now to give you an idea of where I'm coming from, Randy said a quote, "Bass is like meat, it provides the foundation for everything else". I countered with, "Bass is like meat, what else do you need?" So for a recovering bass addict, it was far too thin. However, the imperial SO's sitting behind the OBs blended so smoothly that you couldn't tell they were on! If you walked into the room, not knowing the setup, you'd think the OB's where flat from 20-20000k. You couldn't tell when they were on, but you could tell when they were off! The imperials were being driven by a solid state amplifier, signal split off the pre-amp while the OB's were being driven off the new Mono's. It was a new level of audio achievement that has kept me from listening to my own setup for the past 2 days in fears of it sounding broken. We'll see when I set it back up tonight. I switched the OB's for the Radial 1.5's and the difference was astounding! Bob (Zygi) suggested not to immediately contrast to highly different speaker pairs like that, but to give my mind time to readjust. All in all, the OB's with the imperial SO's was a mighty fine combination, and I enjoyed some studio time with a great rock duo. Maybe someday they'll come play at my house.

Jason

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DrN Verified Member I love YaBB 1G - SP1! Posts: 30	Re: Zenfest, an early report. Reply #17 - 10/09/07 at 01:25:22 Was there a picture of the new Open Baffles? Am I missing it? D
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erimille Senior Member Posts: 65	Re: Zenfest, an early report. Reply #18 - 10/09/07 at 02:27:34 DrN wrote on 10/09/07 at 01:25:22: Was there a picture of the new Open Baffles? Am I missing it? D I was wondering the same thing... then i caught a snapshot of them from one of Steve's post in a different thread. I sure would be more interested in details very nice looking! --e
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Re: Zenfest, an early report.
Reply #19 - 10/09/07 at 02:45:28

erimille wrote on 10/09/07 at 02:27:34:

I was wondering the same thing... then i caught a snapshot of them from one of Steve's post in a different thread.

http://www.decware.com/small%20fest%20pics/october07%20076.jpg

I sure would be more interested in details

very nice looking!

--e

Yes, they look great. Any plans for, er-- plans?
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giorgino Ex Member	Re: Zenfest, an early report. Reply #20 - 10/09/07 at 03:00:31 Doorman wrote on 10/09/07 at 02:45:28: Yes, they look great. Any plans for, er-- plans? Don They sure are purdey
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Re: Zenfest, an early report.
Reply #21 - 10/09/07 at 21:31:24

I downloaded the pictures form my camera, here are ones that aren't duplicates of others.

THE PLACE

You would never know from looking at it from the outside what is contained within, but I have a feeling Steve likes it if not planned it that way.

THE MAN

For those of you that have not met Steve is is a soft spoken man, who is very interesting. I spent a lot of time sneeking up in already ongoing conversations between Steve and others, and would listen in just to learn more about his thoughts and ideas.

THE BENCH

This is Steves test bench which is wired to the listening room behind the wall, you can see a CSP1 built into the wall and a Zen amplifiers hanging there. Behind the equipment was a black panel of connections for the speakers in the adjacent room behind the wall behind the bench.

Just to the right of the test bench was the holding area for various speakers, and you can see the entry door in the background.

PEOPLE

Pictured from left to right: Openly_baffled, Bob_in_StLouis, Dennis I forgot his moniker, and lastly Randy. Notice how Randy is show casing his favorite beer, he really savors these things, sipping on just one for hours, it is a good thing his favorite beer taste good at room temperature.

Trivia for those NOT at the fest.

Who whore this shirt at the fest, and what amps is this schematic? I will give progressing clues if anyone wants to have fun and guess.

I have some video in a week or so perhaps I will have it edited and uploaded onto YouTube.

TG

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Endspec Seasoned Member Posts: 126	Re: Zenfest, an early report. Reply #22 - 10/10/07 at 00:45:00 Good pic's of little red X's, sorry but the pic's are not working.
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Terry

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Re: Zenfest, an early report.
Reply #23 - 10/10/07 at 02:05:41

If the pics don't show up it is because the webspace I have them on has exceeded it bandwidth limit. You then need to wait an hour and they should be visable again. If this continues to happen and more people have difficulty I can reduce their size and then perhaps this will not be a problem any longer, but I wanted to keep the pics as large as possible meaning that their would be more data transfer, meaning that the possibility of the webspaces data transfer limit may become exceeded. Probably after today this will be a moot point.

TG

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Brad Seasoned Member Posts: 138	Re: Zenfest, an early report. Reply #24 - 10/10/07 at 02:17:38 Terry (or others), what did you think about the sound of the OB's and the Kadence loudspeakers?
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Re: Zenfest, an early report.
Reply #25 - 10/10/07 at 02:27:02

Brad wrote on 10/10/07 at 02:17:38:

Terry (or others), what did you think about the sound of the OB's and the Kadence loudspeakers?

Hi Brad,

The OB sounded as you would think... fast, detailed, but lacking bass. The Kadence was very well balanced, detailed and fast. BTW the divers in the MTM are not the ones you linked to at parts express, Bob told me what they were but for the life of me I can't remember.

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selmerdave Seasoned Member When words fail, music speaks - HC Anderson Posts: 461	Re: Zenfest, an early report. Reply #26 - 10/10/07 at 07:07:51 Randy, drinking Extra Stout??? To me, an Extra Stout just isn't a Guinness.. Dave
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Re: Zenfest, an early report.
Reply #27 - 10/10/07 at 12:09:27

buzz wrote on 10/10/07 at 02:27:02:

Hi Brad,

The OB sounded as you would think... fast, detailed, but lacking bass. The Kadence was very well balanced, detailed and fast. BTW the divers in the MTM are not the ones you linked to at parts express, Bob told me what they were but for the life of me I can't remember.

buzz

Is it my eyes or can I see the OB having a built up box section half way down. Was there an intention to have a downward firing bass driver there?

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opnly_bafld Ex Member	Re: Zenfest, an early report. Reply #28 - 10/10/07 at 12:23:08 giorgino wrote on 10/10/07 at 12:09:27: Is it my eyes or can I see the OB having a built up box section half way down. Was there an intention to have a downward firing bass driver there? Here is a link:http://www.decware.com/paper92.htm Lin
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Re: Zenfest, an early report.
Reply #29 - 10/10/07 at 12:27:58

Terry wrote on 10/09/07 at 21:31:24:

Trivia for those NOT at the fest.

http://www.geocities.com/ready4regional/Zenfest/TubeTone.jpg

Who whore this shirt at the fest, and what amps is this schematic? I will give progressing clues if anyone wants to have fun and guess.

I have some video in a week or so perhaps I will have it edited and uploaded onto YouTube.

TG

Not a clue who is wearing the shirt. The amp is easy - Fender 5F1 Tweed Champ.

Bob

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