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Happy, happy ..... joy, joy ..... !!! CSP2 preamp (Read 14976 times)
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Reply #15 - 03/06/07 at 12:48:01
 
Yes, I could have, but I already have a PS Audio power cord just like all my other ones all broken in (was using it on my Alera Technologies cd burner) which saves me at least one hundred dollars, so that combined with the fact that the original chassis version would match all my other black Decware components I went that route when Steve said he'd be able to.
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« Last Edit: 03/06/07 at 12:48:34 by Lon »  

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Reply #16 - 03/06/07 at 16:31:45
 
Lon wrote on 03/06/07 at 12:25:23:
Okay. . . I lost that bet! Grin


Sorry about that, Lon .....  :)

I started listening last night and after 4 hours was too tired to post .....  :-/

I'm at work now and am up to my neck in alligators.  As soon as I get a break, I will post a few thoughts.

Thanks for your patience.

Randy


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Reply #17 - 03/06/07 at 16:42:20
 
You know, I GUESSED that was what happened!

I'm kicking alligators myself.  Thanks!
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Reply #18 - 03/06/07 at 20:40:24
 
As I mentioned previously, I have never been a big fan of active preamps.  Most of the ones I tried over the years created a "haze" over the music that I simply could not ignore ..... even some of the more costly ones.

Steve Deckert suggested a couple of years ago trying one of his preamps in my system, saying that I might be pleasantly surprised.  The Camelot Uther DAC that I have been using for the past few years was designed to be used without an additional preamplifier ..... and I had the factory bump up the output voltage to 4+ volts.  Since it has remote volume and balance control in the analog domain, I felt that I was good to go.

Based on the first few hours of listening, I would have to say that Steve is telling it straight about the CSP2.  The first thing I did was play a couple of familiar well recorded tracks with cymbals.  Good news ..... the shimmer and delicacy was intact ..... and better yet, the body of the cymbal was much more evident than without the CSP2 ..... fuller and more realistic sounding with better presence.

In fact, the presence of all instruments and vocals is greatly improved.  The dynamic contrast is much better as well.  I'm thinking that it was Zygi who said that the CSP2 improved the instruments at the back of the soundstage ..... improving the clarity.  I can vouch for that.  It's now easier to follow all of the instruments and vocals in a recording.

The tonal balance is much more natural.  As an example, the body of an acoustic guitar is now in much better balance with the strings.

The CSP2 works very well with my new Zanden DAC, which only puts out 1 volt.  Out of curiosity, I put the Camelot Uther back in the system ..... first with the CSP2 and then without it.  Despite the fact the Uther was made to work by its lonesome, it sounded a little "dead" after the CSP2 was removed.  Since I make no claims as to knowing why this would be the case, I won't try to explain the reason ..... but I have no reservation in saying that the CSP2 made the Uther sound better ..... a lot better.

The only "downside" I have found to this point is the tendency to push the Select a little too hard.  With the nicer tonal balance, the temptation to crank up the volume is very real.  Running the Parker Audio Behemoths and Decware SO Imperials in parallel, the impedance is somewhere around 2.66 ohms.  The Select loves a low impedance load, but that is a lot of speaker for a power amp with 2 watts per side.  With the potential of 36 volts, you can not only drive the Select to clipping ..... you can launch it from the audio rack .....  :P
Since the Select clips so gracefully, it's not too hard to get into dangerous water before you are aware of it .....

This will not be a problem once I am used to the total system.  The volume will be more than adequate for my needs and the CSP2 makes the overall sound better by far.

Ah, yes ..... the bass ..... I know that everyone wants to know about the bass .....  :)

Well, if you have speakers that are capable of producing it, the CSP2 will make you happy.  Using only the Parker Audio Behemoths without the SO Imperials, the bass is very nice indeed.  I am now plainly hearing instruments in the lower registers that were previously "background instruments".  With the Imperials in the system, the bass has a wonderful presence that "pressurizes" the room in a very pleasant way.  The CSP2 also adds a nice amount of well controlled bottom end to Ed Schilling's Horns ..... which were in the system for a good portion of the listening sessions.  In fact, the CSP2 might very well be the icing on the cake for owners of The Horns and a Decware amplifier.  The Horns sound a lot "mightier" with the CSP2 pushing them.

Like everything else, I'm sure that the CSP2 will improve with break-in ..... but, based on what I have heard so far, I'm just sorry that I did not make this move sooner.

Randy
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Reply #19 - 03/06/07 at 20:55:34
 
Randy, thanks for sharing these impressions.

Sounds as if you're going to be pleased even more as breakin occurs.

I'm looking forward just a bit harder right now to mine!  ;D
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Reply #20 - 03/06/07 at 21:08:09
 
Awesome Smiley Thanks for sharing and happy listening. You may have to start sleeping at work
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Reply #21 - 03/06/07 at 21:47:54
 
Steve -
Looks like you owe Randy a nice dinner for the Ad....... Or he owes you a high end cartridge of your choice for the unexpected significant improvements, at a budget kind of price.  Margaret says I have to at least hear Randy's CSP2 before sending mine in  [smiley=cry.gif]

Randy -
Is this in addition to the VCap change? How do you even work  [smiley=cloud9.gif]

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Reply #22 - 03/06/07 at 22:01:07
 
Joel wrote on 03/06/07 at 21:47:54:
Randy -
Is this in addition to the VCap change? How do you even work  [smiley=cloud9.gif]

Joel


Howdy Joel,

I'm thinking that the V-Caps do nothing but help me hear what is going on in the rest of the system .....  8-)

Work only exists for the purpose of buying audio gear and music .....  ;)

Randy
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Reply #23 - 03/06/07 at 22:15:27
 
Nice review Randy. Maybe Select mono's might fit the place just right for thoise higher volume occaisons. I am still considering getting my CSP upgraded.   Cheesy I am more interested in your thoughts of the difference the CSP2 makes with your horns. Does it enhance the single driver as well

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Reply #24 - 03/06/07 at 22:42:31
 
Randy, great review! I'm glad it all worked out for you.

Happy Listening...

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Reply #25 - 03/07/07 at 06:16:32
 
Very cool, Randy,

Thx for taking the time for such a rounded impression.

Lon's in for a treat, I b'leeve.

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Reply #26 - 03/07/07 at 16:39:15
 
Mr Content wrote on 03/06/07 at 22:15:27:
I am more interested in your thoughts of the difference the CSP2 makes with your horns. Does it enhance the single driver as well

Mr C Smiley


Howdy Mr C,

I took my Horns to the DecFest two years ago.  We hooked them up to an EX version of one of the Decware amplifiers and it sounded pretty good.  We then inserted a CSP into the mix and there was a huge improvement.  Everything was bigger, better defined and more effortless and controlled.  It sounded very much like when The Horns are driven by a more powerful amplifier ..... which I truthfully don't understand .....  :-?

The CSP2 gives me the same impression as what I heard at the DecFest.  IMHO, anyone who owns any of the Decware SV83 based amplifiers and The Horns would be well pleased with a CSP or CSP2 ..... the whole system becomes a "different animal" .....  :)

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Reply #27 - 03/07/07 at 18:28:11
 
Thanks Randy, Maybe my csp is in for a journey.  :)

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Reply #28 - 03/18/07 at 00:23:53
 
Randy, is it safe to say you're enjoying the music too much to post?   Huh

Looking forward eagerly to mine in that case! Grin
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Reply #29 - 03/24/07 at 16:10:39
 
Guess you really ARE listening away!  :)
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