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Re: CSP to CSP2 upgrade now available !
Reply #30 - 02/15/07 at 21:21:04
 
Randy, I too have never really enjoyed the sound of a preamp in front of my system compared to no preamp. . . . Reading this forum however convinced me that the Decware preamps have to be different, and I'm eage to experience the difference.
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Reply #31 - 02/17/07 at 22:06:40
 
Randy, you ARE using the cryo treated Russian mil-spec tubes, RIGHT? Smiley
This could also be a difference between your setup and Steves... and they do make a noticable difference... at least everyone (including Steve) agrees this is the case with the SV83's (6n15n-EB).

P.S. Man! you guys are quick out of the gate.  Already Randy has 3 times the number of posts I have, and of course Lon is way out in front and pulling away from the pack Wink
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Reply #32 - 02/17/07 at 22:22:49
 
Well, it's the quality, not the quantity. Hard to compete with "The Demi!"

Anyway. . . I'm now poster #10 in quantity, so . . . I'm not even trying harder, like Avis.  :)
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Reply #33 - 03/01/07 at 17:14:48
 
Brad wrote on 02/17/07 at 22:06:40:
Randy, you ARE using the cryo treated Russian mil-spec tubes, RIGHT? Smiley
This could also be a difference between your setup and Steves... and they do make a noticable difference... at least everyone (including Steve) agrees this is the case with the SV83's (6n15n-EB).



Hey Brad,

Good to hear from you .....  :)

I am using the Russian mil-spec tubes ..... but, they are not cryoed ..... Sad

Do you have a source for the cryoed 6n15n-EBs ..... ?
I am using a cryoed 6H23 for a driver tube and have compared it to a stock 6H23 ..... no contest.
If the cryoed version of the 6n15n-EB makes as big of a difference, I need to get some.

I got some good news today ..... my CSP2 shipped and will be here on Friday.

This should be a good weekend .....  8-)

Best wishes,

Randy

PS ..... is there any chance that you will make it to the HornFest ..... ?  
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Reply #34 - 03/06/07 at 20:59:30
 
I posted the following in a thread on the General Forum ..... but since the news of the CSP mod started here, I thought this info should be posted here as well .....


As I mentioned previously, I have never been a big fan of active preamps.  Most of the ones I tried over the years created a "haze" over the music that I simply could not ignore ..... even some of the more costly ones.

Steve Deckert suggested a couple of years ago trying one of his preamps in my system, saying that I might be pleasantly surprised.  The Camelot Uther DAC that I have been using for the past few years was designed to be used without an additional preamplifier ..... and I had the factory bump up the output voltage to 4+ volts.  Since it has remote volume and balance control in the analog domain, I felt that I was good to go.

Based on the first few hours of listening, I would have to say that Steve is telling it straight about the CSP2.  The first thing I did was play a couple of familiar well recorded tracks with cymbals.  Good news ..... the shimmer and delicacy was intact ..... and better yet, the body of the cymbal was much more evident than without the CSP2 ..... fuller and more realistic sounding with better presence.

In fact, the presence of all instruments and vocals is greatly improved.  The dynamic contrast is much better as well.  I'm thinking that it was Zygi who said that the CSP2 improved the instruments at the back of the soundstage ..... improving the clarity.  I can vouch for that.  It's now easier to follow all of the instruments and vocals in a recording.

The tonal balance is much more natural.  As an example, the body of an acoustic guitar is now in much better balance with the strings.

The CSP2 works very well with my new Zanden DAC, which only puts out 1 volt.  Out of curiosity, I put the Camelot Uther back in the system ..... first with the CSP2 and then without it.  Despite the fact the Uther was made to work by its lonesome, it sounded a little "dead" after the CSP2 was removed.  Since I make no claims as to knowing why this would be the case, I won't try to explain the reason ..... but I have no reservation in saying that the CSP2 made the Uther sound better ..... a lot better.

The only "downside" I have found to this point is the tendency to push the Select a little too hard.  With the nicer tonal balance, the temptation to crank up the volume is very real.  Running the Parker Audio Behemoths and Decware SO Imperials in parallel, the impedance is somewhere around 2.66 ohms.  The Select loves a low impedance load, but that is a lot of speaker for a power amp with 2 watts per side.  With the potential of 36 volts, you can not only drive the Select to clipping ..... you can launch it from the audio rack .....  :P
Since the Select clips so gracefully, it's not too hard to get into dangerous water before you are aware of it .....  

This will not be a problem once I am used to the total system.  The volume will be more than adequate for my needs and the CSP2 makes the overall sound better by far.

Ah, yes ..... the bass ..... I know that everyone wants to know about the bass .....  :)

Well, if you have speakers that are capable of producing it, the CSP2 will make you happy.  Using only the Parker Audio Behemoths without the SO Imperials, the bass is very nice indeed.  I am now plainly hearing instruments in the lower registers that were previously "background instruments".  With the Imperials in the system, the bass has a wonderful presence that "pressurizes" the room in a very pleasant way.  The CSP2 also adds a nice amount of well controlled bottom end to Ed Schilling's Horns ..... which were in the system for a good portion of the listening sessions.  In fact, the CSP2 might very well be the icing on the cake for owners of The Horns and a Decware amplifier.  The Horns sound a lot "mightier" with the CSP2 pushing them.

Like everything else, I'm sure that the CSP2 will improve with break-in ..... but, based on what I have heard so far, I'm just sorry that I did not make this move sooner.

Randy
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Reply #35 - 03/06/07 at 21:45:43
 
Steve -
Looks like you owe Randy a nice dinner for the Ad....... Or he owes you a high end cartridge of your choice for the unexpected significant improvements, at a budget kind of price.  Margaret says I have to at least hear Randy's CSP2 before sending mine in  [smiley=cry.gif]

Randy -
Is this in addition to the VCap change? How do you even work  [smiley=cloud9.gif]

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Reply #36 - 03/07/07 at 06:26:33
 
Randy,

I appreciate you comments.  You're a stubborn or better put, cautious explorer of the finer things in audio.

I have found that the CSP2 simply makes the music sound more real.  Palpability in a word.  It is the first preamp I have come across that makes every amp I've tried it with sound better.  It masters the frequency balance.  I am still fascinated as to why.  It makes my Torii Mk II sound so much better had I known I would have probably snuck the entire preamp circuit into the Torii Mk II and asked more money for it.  Hearing that combo makes money about the last thing on your mind!

A lot of the magic or secret involves phase angle throughout the spectrum.  Amplifiers, preamps, loudspeakers all digress from the true phase of a given recording. This is like the molecular foundation of what we call "synergy" and what creates an illusiveness in this hobby of chasing the audio grail.

I have to say I am pleased and a bit taken at Randys review knowing full well the unit is far from broken in.  But then I can believe it because I know he, like I, can factor all that in and still enjoy listening. (Randy's ears are in my little black book of trusted opinions)  I fully expected several weeks to go by and then a comment like, "well it was touch and go at first"  followed by "in the end it does actually make things better".  This because I know the purity in listening to a single cap and one or two resistors in the signal path (Zen amp).  Which is fine when listening to a master tape on a meaty souce deck.  But in the world of digital we need more.

Addressing the simpler is better issue, we should probably say the purer the better.  It all goes back to the analogy of water.  You can have pure water or tainted water. Take two glasses and pour each with 1 inch of the respective types of water.  Look through the water in each glass. They both are easy to see through, decent to good clairty with either one.  Now add the second layer of water to each glass. The tainted water begins to loose clarity while the pure water is as easy to see through as before.

Kind of the same thing with preamps.  Pure water is actually hard to find.  But it is more then that.  Pure water was the ZTPRE and then almost as good ZSLA-1. Designed to leave the signal untouched.  The CSP and CSP2 were designed to restore.  I am thrilled to death frankly that it's working so well.  It makes listening to digital much more like analog by letting you hear clearly at leat twice the detail while at the same time somehow making everything smoother, warmer, more jucy. Smiley

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Reply #37 - 03/07/07 at 07:18:41
 
Thanks for the review Randy.  Given my recent moving of residence and my system being temporarily out of commission, I may have to take advantage and send mine in for the upgrade.
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Reply #38 - 03/07/07 at 17:54:20
 
Steve Deckert wrote on 03/07/07 at 06:26:33:
The CSP and CSP2 were designed to restore.  I am thrilled to death frankly that it's working so well.  It makes listening to digital much more like analog by letting you hear clearly at leat twice the detail while at the same time somehow making everything smoother, warmer, more jucy. Smiley



Hi Steve,

Thanks for the kind words .....  :)

One of the things that the new Zanden DAC does, IMHO, is exactly what you describe for the CSP2.  It "increases the detail while at the same time somehow making everything smoother, warmer, more juicy".  I have heard a lot of digital systems in my quest for the best possible sound from this format and this is as close to the best qualities of analog that I have experienced.  The CSP2 takes the effect to the next level.  One of the things I hear in really good analog recordings is a sense of "immediacy" in the vocals and instruments.  As you suggested, palpability would be another good term for it ..... and the CSP2 produces this quality in spades .....  8-)

I have been through so many episodes of breaking in new components that it's not too difficult to "listen around or past" the roller coaster ride produced by newly manufactured gear.  I fully expect the CSP2 (as well as the new V-Caps) to get better with time ..... but the strengths of both are already very obvious.

Randy    
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Reply #39 - 03/07/07 at 18:02:09
 
Randy, what are the V-Caps? and which Zanden DAC model are you speaking of? thanks, -Brad-
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Reply #40 - 03/07/07 at 18:37:49
 
Hi Brad,

V-Cap info

Zanden DAC info

Enjoy,

Randy

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Reply #41 - 04/02/07 at 18:35:58
 
After about 100 hours of break in time on the CSP2, I am deliriously happy with this thing .....  8-)

Steve used the word "palpability" to describe what it does for the sound.

I offered the word "immediacy".

As I was listening last night (4 wonderful hours) I was looking for the best word or words to describe what I was hearing.  If you combine palpability, immediacy and presence ..... it pretty well nails the effect.

Oh yeah ..... add the word "steroids" ..... without the downside normally associated with that word.

Even without the CSP2, my system is sounding very good ..... but the CSP2 takes the sound to a new level.  In another thread, I stated what could amount to heresy considering all of the positive comments I have made about the SO Imperials ..... but after changing the configuration of the system several times this past weekend I can say with no hesitation that if I was forced to choose between  the SO Imperials and the CSP2, the CSP2 would stay in the system ..... it's THAT good.

Steve made the comment to me a while back (about the original CSP) that I really had not heard the full potential of my system without it.  I honestly thought it was funny at the time.

I'm not laughing now .....  :-?

Seriously ..... if you don't have one, buy one.

You can thank me for the recommendation later .....  ;)

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Reply #42 - 04/02/07 at 23:20:24
 
Randy in Caintuck wrote on 04/02/07 at 18:35:58:
Seriously ..... if you don't have one, buy one. You can thank me for the recommendation later .....  ;)
Randy


Bought one, thank you.
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