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Reply #15 - 02/03/07 at 07:55:06
 
"PRICES - The mod will completely gut the inside of the CSP and rebuild it as a CSP2.  The costs are as follows: "

This is how I understood it from...rebuild it into the old chassis or the new one????
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Reply #16 - 02/03/07 at 15:38:27
 
I think it's going to be in the old chassis. . .the price would be higher for a new one.  I would think if you want the new chassis, you buy a new one.

I asked Steve to build me a CSP2 in the old chassis so that it will match the rest of my Decware components. . . and he agreed. . . so I'm officially waiting! Smiley
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Reply #17 - 02/03/07 at 15:55:26
 
 Congrats on the order Lon. What made you decide to take the plunge and get the CSP2?         Dave Smiley
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Reply #18 - 02/03/07 at 17:16:44
 
Well. . . Karl planted the seed telling me how good his system sounds with the CSP. . . . I believe him.  Why would he lie? Wink

And I have moved the system out into the living room now, and it sounds great. . . . The missing link is tying the tv to the stereo.  I of course listen to dvds through the DEC685.  But I would need a preamp to tie the vcr output to the system.

I can't imagine getting any other preamp but a Decware one.  Can't really afford the CSP, but I can't really afford a ZTPre which would be my dream preamp.  So since Steve has agreed to build me one with the black chassis, I went for it.  Opted NOT to have the headphone jack.  I use headphones only with my laptop and my iPod.  I plan to have both the ZBox and the CSP2 sitting side by side on Cardas Mytrlewood blocks on top of my DEC685.  My Dec685 and my EL34 Monoblocks sit on separate shelves in my Mapleshade Samson rack, on top of Triplepoints, on top of maple platforms on top of IsoBlocks.  The CSP2 should be the final key to a system I'll enjoy for years.
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Reply #19 - 02/03/07 at 17:35:55
 
 Very nice Lon and good to see your able to get all settled back in with your system. The CSP2  looks like a nice addition to round off what you have and I bet will take things to another level. Looking forward to your review when all is ready.....       Dave Smiley
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Reply #20 - 02/03/07 at 17:45:06
 
Me too!  ;)

I just hope I don't get stuck in Houston for weeks and weeks when it comes.  I'm going up there a bit before I should have it, and we should be back before it arrives, but I never know what we will find in Houston, so. . . here's hoping!  (For a lot of reasons, besides the CSP2).
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Reply #21 - 02/03/07 at 17:45:21
 
[quote author=DaveCan  link=1169506099/15#19 date=1170524155]  Very nice Lon and good to see your able to get all settled back in with your system. The CSP2  looks like a nice addition to round off what you have and I bet will take things to another level. Looking forward to your review when all is ready.....
Dave Smiley
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Ditto!

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Reply #22 - 02/15/07 at 03:52:02
 
Steve Deckert wrote on 01/22/07 at 21:48:19:
Finally, we are now able to offer an upgrade for CSP owners that changes it to a CSP2.  


RESULTS

The changes you will experience are as follows:

A richer sound with more weight.

A better frequency balance with less midrange and treble highlighting.  

Better overall musicality.

10dB more dynamic range at any given volume level.

10dB lower noise floor.

Lower THD by a full decimal point.


Steve Grin


Steve, can you expand upon this?  What do you mean by "richer sound with more weight"?
Is this a bloom in the midrange?  Is this a different voicing, perhaps using different caps, that smooths the treble a bit and brings out more of the mids and lower mids?  With less treble highlighting is there much loss of detail or imaging (I can't imagine you would be happy with this if it did). And "better overall musicality"... I know that's a tough one to describe... ???
What modifications did you do to the design/circuit to accomplish this?  

I know when I swapped the caps in mine to Mundorf silver/oil I heard a smoothing of the sound, yet with more detail and "musicality" for lack of a better word.
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Reply #23 - 02/15/07 at 15:11:03
 
Brad,

 I'll  try to answer this, from what I hear, not why it's changed......

  First off, when Steve first built the CSP2 and told me how good it was, I didn't jump on the band wagon and buy one, I was completely satisfied with the CSP, other than the head phone feature, I didn't think it was going to make that much of a difference. Steve also did not want to modify my CSP because I had built mine, and it was my first build, and I was a bit proud of it. Then we figured I could build my own CSP2 some day, and we kind of left it at that for a while, then a phone call from Steve, telling me the difference was someone buying a pair of speakers, and someone telling me they'd think about it.  I'm not sure this is a money making thing on his part, half the time in the evening when I talk to Steve, its late and he's still out soldering on amps.  The best part for me was getting an 8, on a scale of 1-10 for my work, I was happy!!!! Cool  

Richer sound with more weight...I think that is due to the more dynamics, the mids to lower mids are cleaner with more leading edge snap, yet the sustain lingers like it should. This is really evident with piano, every key stroke is sharp with the attack and it just lingers on, never being covered up with he next note.  The mid and upper bass is much snappier, more defined, which is what Steve mentioned in his post, I had a real bad "ROOM BOOM" problem with my room, until the CSP2 came along, so all the work I had done to get rid of it, and didn't help much, then its just gone, really had me pulling hairs for a few days.

 Low bass I can only say, has gotten better tighter more defined, but my room still has a way to go, as more traps are needed.

 The highs are just smoother, not less of them, from what I'm hearing. Voices with recorded room ambiance, the air the ambiance are all the same just smoother. Katie Melua CD's seem to have a bit to much recorded sibilance, I loved the CD but at times the sibilance was annoying, now its so smooth it doesn't annoy any more, its just there.

  Imaging has not taken a back seat, if anything, its gotten better, not in the sense of wider taller or depth, its more focused. I kind of liken it to, going from regular TV to HD TV.  Instruments in the background have such clarity,  if you focus on them, you can tell its ten violins, there not smeared in any way, they all have there space with nothing covering them up.

 I guess I'm like 95% of all the audio guys out there, when we get something new, we put in every favorite CD we have, to see if there is a difference or not, when I got the CSP2 finally up and running, I sat down with a CD that has 17 tracks, and track 17 is my favorite, I'm so lazy at times rather than finding the "10" button and the "7" and hitting play I just keep hitting the forward button till i get to track 17. Well the first day with the CSP2 I hit play, I was so astounded with what I heard, I listened to all 17 tracks, something I can't think of, ever happening before.

 When I first got the CSP2, I was listening to the MG944's on the Torii-II, using the MG's was to set the room up, while they image great, they're no comparison to the imaging of the RL-3's and the RL-3's being much more room friendly will image good in a bad room. Also during the day, I run EH el-34 tubes in my amp, not to put to many hours on my good tubes, I was so impressed with what I heard, is was totally shocked, when I realized I had a crappy sounding pair of tubes that were amazing me. I was afraid for a couple of days, actually a week, to change anything in the set up, thinking what if the RL-3's don't sound as good as the MG's, that would be a complete let down, something I didn't want to find out. When I finally got the balls to try it, i wasn't let down, thank God, that would have ruined my day.

  I've since tried the CSP with he Taboo, I've been listening to it with the RL-3's for a couple of nights now, great synergy with this combo as well, in fact better than I thought it would be, I've never thought the Taboo had it with the 3's  I would still think the Taboo/ HDT would be even better, i'm trying to finish a pair of HDT's right now so I can give that a go. Before i sold the Select strapped Monos to RAP the CSP really made them sing, in fact they sounded so good I didn't want to sell them, I just wonder how that would go today if I had them.

 I had also found, both Torii's not to show any great improvement with the CSP, at least not like the Mono's had improved, i wish I still had Torii-I here to try it, but it sure is synergistic with my Torii-II, and will always be in front of it.

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Reply #24 - 02/15/07 at 15:19:28
 
Bob, thanks for weighing in. . . . Makes me hungry to hear my CSP2 soon! Smiley
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Reply #25 - 02/15/07 at 17:30:28
 
Lon,

  You're going to love it.....since I wrote the last post, i went into my listening room were the amps were warming up. Just for grins i tried the "lucid mode on the Taboo with the RL-3's. WOW is all I can say!!!   I only ever used lucid mode with the everything other than the 3's as it was just a bit too much, far fetched, if you know what I mean.


 Man, I've got to get to work..... Cry
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Reply #26 - 02/15/07 at 18:52:22
 
Darn you, Zyg,

I hope Steve doesn't mind the csp>>csp2 upgrade process too much, as he's soon to have another one on the bench...

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Reply #27 - 02/15/07 at 19:13:15
 
Karl,

  Sorry about that, but it really is worth mentioning how much improved the CSP2 is. Wink

  Truly, the only reason I sent mine in was for the Headphone section. Funny thing, I haven't plugged the headphones in, yet.

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Reply #28 - 02/15/07 at 19:27:04
 
veryoldcat wrote on 02/15/07 at 18:52:22:
Darn you, Zyg,

I hope Steve doesn't mind the csp>>csp2 upgrade process too much, as he's soon to have another one on the bench...

Karl


That upgrade would be my CSP, Karl.  It should arrive at Decware today.  
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Reply #29 - 02/15/07 at 21:04:58
 
The CSP that I recently purchased from Ray is also awaiting its turn on Steve's operating table ..... Cool

I might also offer this thought .....

Two years ago, when I heard the Parker Audio Crusader / SO Imperial combo at the DecFest, I was absolutely bowled over by the sound.  In addition to the amazing presentation of the "recorded space", the sound was very palpable and dynamic.

After having a pair of SO Imperials built, I have been very much pleased with the sound in my system.  My front end does some things better than the front end we heard at the DecFest ..... however, I am not getting the "sense of scale" and the dynamics that I heard in Steve's room .....

The only major difference is that we were using a CSP with the Select at the DecFest.  I have been strongly opposed to active preamps in times past because the majority of the ones I have heard (even costly ones) got between me and the music ..... but, Steve has been telling me for a long time that I will be pleasantly surprised with a Decware pre.

Since Steve and Zygi feel so strongly that the CSP2 is better than the original CSP .... I am looking forward to something truly special when the CSP2 is added to my existing system ..... Smiley

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