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gnat leader
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Re: DFR8's
Reply #45 - 05/21/06 at 17:36:16
 
C, sure I can send you a couple if you can't find them over there.
But what is the size of your OB?  If they are pretty wide/big, you might not hear much of a difference with the TB's.  Unless there really is some horn action going on.  But even if that's the case, they are too small to be adding much bass, so It's a crapshoot if they will make things sound better or not.  In any event, they're cheap enough to try just as a fun experiment.
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Re: DFR8's
Reply #46 - 05/21/06 at 21:30:23
 
Thing is Brad, you just never know. But as you say it is cheap enough to try. Smiley Thanks for the offer to send them over, I will look today for something the same or like it. Grin

Mr C
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Reply #47 - 05/21/06 at 22:14:28
 
You may already know this... ideally you want curved walls not straight. I think you can get honky/resonances with linear "horn" walls or walls curved the wrong way (bowl as apposed to bell shaped).  

Btw, this should be a separate thread. Really not specific to DFR8 drivers.

cheers, -Brad-
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Re: DFR8's
Reply #48 - 05/22/06 at 18:51:24
 
Don't bother searching for it online. It's not there.  I called Target and it cannot be purchased on their website or by phone. Go figure!  It *is* sold in all their stores under the name Zazen bamboo tray.  Target also does not ship internationally - unfortunately.  

Btw, the bowl bases can varry in diameter as much as 1/8".
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Re: DFR8's --> Steve, where's my commission?
Reply #49 - 06/12/06 at 07:26:03
 
Well, I may have unintentionally just sold a pair of HDT's for Steve and possible and CSP to boot.  Steve, where my commision? Wink

My buddy Steve and I had a mini listening session. He already had my CSP hooked up to his Art Audio Carissa amp. I brought my HDT's over his place today and left the for a while.  We gave a listen to a few disks on different combination of equipment.  The disks were good quality recordings, not awesome, but just good.  I forget the album names but Steve pulled out Natilie Merchant, Aimee Mann, while I had brought some of my current favorite Marcio Faraco (Brazilian jazz) 'cause I thought Steve would like him, which he did.  We had limited time so we focused on changes in equipment and listening mostly to Faraco.  Equipment listened to:

Speakers: Decware HDT, Reference 3A Royal Virtuoso
Amps: Art Audio Carissa, Decware TABOO, Charlize DIY chip amp
Preamp: Decware CSP
Source: Sony 9000ES w/Modwright mods
cabling: All cables were expensive looking snake-like beasts - I didn't enquire about their brands.
Room: No treatments, approx 15'x15', listening at approx 8' triangle, toe'd in pretty much directly at the listener.

Sorry for the quality. I snapped them with my phone... thought some of you might find them interesting...













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Re: DFR8's
Reply #50 - 06/12/06 at 08:28:16
 
my comments in short...

Ref 3A Royal Virtuosos: good sounding laid back sound, surprising bass for bookshelf speaker (though this *is* a small room).

HDT w/DFR8 drivers: Note the DFR8's are still not fully broken in.  On all amps including the Carissa we both thought the HDT's sounded better than the 3A's. Way more midrange detail, better bass, more "you are there" presense. I already kinda knew what to expect.  Though I wish I could get the bass we heard in my MUCH bigger room.  In this small room, the bass was not lacking at all.  Def no need for a sub.  Notable comments I heard from Steve, were... "they remind me of Quads in a way"... "wow, that's freaking awesome!"(that was with the CSP,  HDT+Carissa)...and..."that's the best sound I've ever heard in this room".  The treble did not seem to be lacking at all.  A helper tweeter does not seem to be needed with the DFR8's the way that I felt necessary with the FE206EM (with felted phase plug).

Carissa:  In this room, with this equipment, I preferred slightly the sound of the Carissa + CSP.  I just wish it didn't cost $7000, ~ 10 times what the TABOO costs!

TABOO:  (cryo treated SV83's and cryo Sovtek 12ax7-LPS) The sound was very good, approaching the Carissa in most ways. We both thought the bass with the TABOO was better than the Carissa - which really surprised me (it's an 845 SET).  I liked the mids from the Carissa a little more.  There was a problem with one channel distorting when we turned the volume up.  I swapped the power tubes and the noise followed, so it looks like one of the SV83's was bad and I didn't have a spare.  With the volume down it still sounded very good.  Steve said he could difinitely live with this sound.

CSP:  Not much to say. It made everthing sound better except the Charlize.  Not much difference there.  Could be I'm using all cryo treated Sovtek 6N1P's.  Maybe tube rolling (6922's?) would help?

Charlize: For the price the sound is quite good, but some brightness and listener fatigue there.  CSP smoothed out slight graininess but didn't fix the upper mids brightness.  IMO a great second system amp but won't have me selling my tube gear.  I've heard this amp sound better - with my DIY K-slot horns.

I hope someone finds this info interesting.

GL out.
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Re: DFR8's
Reply #51 - 06/12/06 at 22:02:18
 
Btw, Amoung other things, I really like the treble of the DFR8's better than the old FE206EM driver.  I feel there is much less, if any, need for a helper tweeter now.  

Kudos to steve on the phase plug improvement!
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Re: DFR8's
Reply #52 - 06/12/06 at 23:24:21
 
[quote author=gnat leader  link=1146262918/45#50 date=1150097296]I hope someone finds this info interesting. [/quote]
I certainly did.  I would like to try the DFR8 in RCAfan's K-horn.  
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Reply #53 - 06/13/06 at 00:55:30
 
Yes, that would be interesting.  Maybe I'll try that out some day.  But the older FE206EM's sound pretty darn good already in RCAFan's K-slot horn.  And not only am I a bit lazy to try it right now, but every time I pull drivers from the HDT's I need another pair of the "rope calk" driver gasket material.

Let us know if you ever build them and/or try it out.  I'll do the same.

-GL-
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Reply #54 - 06/13/06 at 04:44:51
 
Will do.

BTW, I have been wanting to ask you for some time, what does Gnat Leader mean?
Just being snoopy, Brian
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Reply #55 - 06/13/06 at 14:51:57
 


This is a gnat
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Re: DFR8's
Reply #56 - 06/13/06 at 21:28:54
 
That much I knew.   Grin
They are tiny, the ones around here are black,  They get in my ears when I am trying to fish in summer, and you can sometimes imitate them on a number 22 to 26 hook for trout.  
That is as much as I know about it.
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Re: DFR8's
Reply #57 - 06/14/06 at 02:02:46
 
Hello Brian,

You want to catch more trout?   (stupid question)

Tie your gnat imitations on a 28 or 30 ring eye hook.(TMC makes em, style 300).
Use a little wisp of black CDC. 8x only and NO FLOATANT.

Happy fishing.            :D

Bill

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Reply #58 - 06/14/06 at 02:04:43
 
Think self deprecating humor.  At one time I was the posting leader on this forum. Don't know if I still am.  

Gnat-one to Gnat-Leader... cover me, I'm going in.

actually, I think Randy has had me consistently beat.
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Re: DFR8's
Reply #59 - 06/15/06 at 01:10:17
 
Thanks Bill.
I am tempted now to ask about eel killin' but maybe I had better not spam up Brad's thread.
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