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Lon
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Radials and EL34 Monoblocks, some impressions
01/07/04 at 17:28:56
 
My EL34 Monoblocks are on the way to being broken in and I can attest that they really make the Radials sound GREAT.  It's funny, I was expecting a weightier and perhaps "slower" sound and yet what I have been getting is a very "Select" sound especially the tonal balance, with more loudness available at the touch of the gain knob.  I have discovered that there is a bigger image of larger ensemble works though, that the soundstage seems taller when the ensemble is bigger.  Not displeasing at all!  I'm listening to my Ellington and Basie and Goodman and Gil Evans and other orchestral pieces with delight.

Overall a great combination, that will be more suitable for medium sized rooms than the Select and Radial combo, which I can imagine only really works ideally in small rooms such as mine.
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Lon
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Re: Radials and EL34 Monoblocks, some impressions
Reply #1 - 01/20/04 at 12:57:21
 
Here are some more impressions (also posted in the General Audio forum):

I really like the Svetlana tubes.  They were last week broken in to a point where they sounded great.  The reproduction of some piano was unlike any that I have heard on cd before, quite natural and full-bodied!

I should have known SOMETHING had to give because Saturday morning I turned on the amps and one channel was quiet. . . turned out one of the Svetlana EL34s had failed!  Well, the evening before FedEx had dropped off a pair of JJ EL34s that I had decided to try one day soon, and that day was sooner than I thought!  It took a few days for the haze to burn off the JJs. . . they're pretty good tubes, but no Svetlanas!  I emailed DeVon about the tube gone bad, and ordered a pair of "C" Logo Svetlanas as well that I saw at a very nice price on ebay.

What was nice about the JJs was that I have a pair of Mapleshade Tube Anchors that will fit these, and don't yet have a pair that will fit the Svetlanas.  Quite nice how the Tube Anchors give you that smidgeon more of detail and warmth that some tube lovers seek.  

The amps themselves are settled in quite nicely.  I get pretty much the satisfaction I got from my Selects with them, PLUS gobs more power.  I find that I am listening to a lot of familiar music in order to analyze the sound, and I'm also listening to larger ensemble pieces or more dynamic pieces and enjoying the headroom and scale that the Monoblocks bring to the listening.  

Overall I am quite happy with my purchase and am enjoying the tweaking and comparing and analyzing. . . . I think they'll be even better performers with some more use; they are definitlely blooming and breathing better now, but probably will improve in those areas over the next few months.

Great amps!
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Re: Radials and EL34 Monoblocks, some impressions
Reply #2 - 01/23/04 at 20:58:49
 
I'm glad to hear the fine report of your happiness with the system, Lon. Those Svetlana EL34s do sound better than anything I've ever heard with the exception of Mullard.

You described the speed and tonal balance as being very much like the Select, which is very neutral. I'm sure that's the signature Steve was shooting for. Do they also have that classic EL34 midrange warmth, or are they like when you triode wire them in an ultralinear push pull amp (Dynaco ST-70), and gain air and space but lose some of the thick warmth?

Eddie Smiley
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Lon
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Re: Radials and EL34 Monoblocks, some impressions
Reply #3 - 01/23/04 at 21:32:42
 
It's more the latter:  they don't have a coloration really that I would normally associate with the EL34.  Which I was expecting them to have at first, but am happy with them as they are; they are neutral and open sounding like the Select.

I'm looking forward to a weekend of listening.
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Re: Radials and EL34 Monoblocks, some impressions
Reply #4 - 01/24/04 at 03:48:12
 
Hey Lon,
Glad to here your enjoying the new monoblocks. Even enough to get ride of your beloved Select? I love my Zen "C" and will be doing some mods soon! Still I like the more "forward" high bias position on the "C" and the select has that bias switch as well so the niggling question is are the el34 mono's more like the select on high bias (forward), low bias (laid back), or somewhere in between? I may move to the el34 mono's especially if I can alter the bias (after market) to give a more forward presentation. Also is the sound stage still there like the "Select"?
I'd really love to get your comparative opinion on this!
"Can't make up mind" -Chris-
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Lon
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Re: Radials and EL34 Monoblocks, some impressions
Reply #5 - 01/24/04 at 13:09:58
 
Chris, I would say it is "in between" the two bias positions in the Select.  I prefer the laid back, because I'm in a small room and forward is IN YOUR FACE.  With the right combinations of tubes I'm sure you could move the sound more towards the forward-sounding position just as I am working to move it towards the more laid-back position. . . .
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Lon
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Reply #6 - 01/24/04 at 13:27:14
 
And yes, yes indeed, the soundstaging is there in full.

I DID part with my Select.  It has a good home.  I'm bonding to the Monoblocks well.
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Lon
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Re: Radials and EL34 Monoblocks, some impressions
Reply #7 - 03/19/04 at 14:31:14
 
Well, I got my upgraded Monoblocks back from Steve last night.

The visible new differences are a "direct" input added and a switch on the front that either places a cathode bypass resistor in the path or takes it out.

From what little listening I've been able to do so far, I find that the front position (which I am GUESSING is with the resistor IN the signal path) has a more powerul appearing sound (it's louder) and maybe more bass, and is a little more forward.  The rear position is more laidback and quieter.  

I'll listen this weekend and report more if I feel I have more to offer.  I'm so happy to have these back.  I really enjoyed my time with my Proton AA1150 driving the Radials, and I like that amplifier a lot (it was my main one for a number of years before I got my EICO integrated in the system) and I'll have it in my living room system again soon.  But immediately, as soon as that single-ended tube Zen sound was back something in me relaxed!
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Re: Radials and EL34 Monoblocks, some impressions
Reply #8 - 03/19/04 at 15:21:08
 
Lon,

Are the upgrades you mentioned now standard on the EL-34s, or are they extras?  And if they are extras, how much were they?

Thanks.
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Lon
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Re: Radials and EL34 Monoblocks, some impressions
Reply #9 - 03/19/04 at 15:56:54
 
I'm really not sure of the correct answer Scotty as I haven't had much communication with Steve.  He told me that he had upgraded the machines to have the switched cathode bypass resistor, and that he had changed one other resistor in the circuit to "reduce distortion."  I am under the impression that these two changes are now stock production.

The dual input I don't believe is; he is quoted in the bulletin board here somewhere as saying he would add this to those who bought the machines when the web page erroneously showed that they came with the machine, but that future units would only have the one input (controlled by the input gain control).

I didn't have to pay anything for these changes other than about 62 dollars in shipping. . . .
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Lon
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Re: Radials and EL34 Monoblocks, some impressions
Reply #10 - 03/22/04 at 15:07:10
 
Well, listened a lot this weekend to a finally warmed up set of upgraded EL34 Monoblocks.

I'm getting used to the new cathode bypass resistor position on the switch. . . . It's very nice for low level listening, fleshes out the sound.  There is a point just above my normal listening level where this position becomes just a bit too forward, and as mab has pointed out in a private message "feels not quite as accurate"---I agree with that, for some of my normal listening and my louder than normal listening I am using the back position, the former "stock" sound. . . .

It's like having two amps in one, how can that be bad? Grin
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Lon
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Re: Radials and EL34 Monoblocks, some impressions
Reply #11 - 04/05/04 at 14:36:00
 
Some more impressions, in case anyone is interested in the EL34 Monoblocks.

I've become seduced by the sound of the amps with the cathode bypass resistor in the circuit.  There is a fullness and a touch of mellowness that is pure classic tube sound and very . . . seductive.  It gives just the right touch of weight to the mid and bass and enhances dynamics.  However, right on the top end of my normal listening volume range it seems to be a bit too much of a good thing.  So I would say that 95% of the time the last few weeks I have been using this position, and when I want to play full orchestral pieces loudly or want to "rock out" (I would estimate about 5% of the time total) I restore the amps to their original signature. . . .

After having them back from upgrading and getting a good number of hours on the upgrade now I have to say I continue to enjoy these amps.  They have nearly everything the Select brought to my system, and more power to boot.  I'm glad I made the change.
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Re: Radials and EL34 Monoblocks, some impressions
Reply #12 - 04/05/04 at 23:09:45
 

[quote author=Lon  link=1073500136&amp/0#11 date=1081172160]
They have nearly everything the Select brought to my system, and more power to boot.
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Lon, just think of it, you say they have nearly everything that your Select brought to your system and they still aren't as broken in as your Select is.  I bet those monos are going to be golden in a year or two.
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Re: Radials and EL34 Monoblocks, some impressions
Reply #13 - 04/06/04 at 10:50:14
 
Yes MM, I think in a few years they'll have that ease and depth that the Select slowly surely developed!  Man, that Select just lured you INTO the listening.  The Monos should become that seductive as well.
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Re: Radials and EL34 Monoblocks, some impressions
Reply #14 - 04/16/04 at 00:49:46
 
Oh no!!
I stumbled onto the wrong site.
Talk of 34 Monos, when I agonized for months over the new format.
My Select is barely warming up, and I'm tempted to look at the monos.
Again
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Re: Radials and EL34 Monoblocks, some impressions
Reply #15 - 04/26/04 at 00:19:47
 
Lon,
The cathode bypass switch position that you say
you like most of the time, actually has the resister
OUT of the circuit. The laid back position has the
resister in the circuit, which tames it.

This same switch is also employed on the 34I.
The resister value may be different, I don't know.
but same effect.

Steves EL34 MonoBlocks do seem like a really good
companion for those RL-2's

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Lon
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Re: Radials and EL34 Monoblocks, some impressions
Reply #16 - 04/26/04 at 15:37:26
 
Hmmmm. . . well however it is, it is the new sonic signature, not the original, that I am using 95% of the time.

Everything is sounding great these days!
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Lon
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Re: Radials and EL34 Monoblocks, some impressions
Reply #17 - 05/29/04 at 23:31:47
 
Preparing myself for the Dec-685, I'm using the cd player with fixed output and the gain knobs on the Monoblocks.  The direct inputs on the Monoblocks sound a tiny bit better but this way there is a bit more weight to the sound, a nice tradeoff.

Can't wait for the new machine to arrive!
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Re: Radials and EL34 Monoblocks, some impressions
Reply #18 - 05/30/04 at 04:23:07
 
Lon, Would have been nice to have the DC685 for this long weekend, Soon enough though.
                Bob Z.
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Lon
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Re: Radials and EL34 Monoblocks, some impressions
Reply #19 - 05/30/04 at 10:50:07
 
I know.   I'm being patient.

I also would have liked a shipment from Chicago to arrive Friday and it didn't:  a "fifties or sixties stereo system" that used to belong to my wife's aunt and uncle that her cousin is sending to me as they liquidate the assets of their estate.  He wouldn't tell me the brand, he "thought they might be tubes". . . . As the other stereo they had was a B&O system from the nineties, this could be good stuff. . . but no guarantee.  It would have been nice if it had made it for the long weekend as well!
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Lon
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Re: Radials and EL34 Monoblocks, some impressions
Reply #20 - 10/04/04 at 12:45:01
 
Just wanted to update this thread to say that the Monoblocks seem to have reached a new area of "breakedinness" after nearly ten months now. . . They are really breathing and blowing easily, they seem to have gotten very close to that state of ease that I enjoyed with my Select, and with the Dec 685 in the system pretty broken in I am really enjoying my system!
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Re: Radials and EL34 Monoblocks, some impressions
Reply #21 - 10/04/04 at 19:39:13
 
Lon, you've noted on several occassions that your listening room is "small".  Well how small is it?

Mine is 11x12x10 and I wondering if the HDTs will be overkill in it...
???
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Lon
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Re: Radials and EL34 Monoblocks, some impressions
Reply #22 - 10/04/04 at 20:15:13
 
That is about the same size as my room.  Mine is a few feet wider, about 15'. . . . BUT I have a few feet of shelves that cover two of the walls effectively narrowing it by about 3'. . . .

I don't know anything about the HDT, but they it is more forward than the Radials (and I have heard they are) they MAY be a bit much for your room. . . . The great thing about the Radials is you can fine tune them so; I am using a lot of resistance on the tweeters, more than anyone else I know, to mellow them a bit and make them just right for my room.

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Re: Radials and EL34 Monoblocks, some impressions
Reply #23 - 10/05/04 at 16:14:20
 
Lon,

I just talked to Steve to get his opinion on the HDTs in my small room:  11x12x10.

He did not think it would be a problem.
According to him others also are using these in a small room without difficulty, some even near corner loading as I am with my DIY horns.

As a side note, my SE34-I2 will be here on Friday!  whoo-hoo!
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Re: Radials and EL34 Monoblocks, some impressions
Reply #24 - 10/05/04 at 16:17:44
 
Well that's great!  I'm not sure they would work for me IF they are more forward sounding than the Radials.  I'm very sensitive to treble and like a mellower, laid back sound.

You've quite an adventure ahead of you with the new amp! Cheesy
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Re: Radials and EL34 Monoblocks, some impressions
Reply #25 - 04/19/05 at 20:05:15
 
Just thought I would add a thread to this forum.

Sincerely loving his Monoblocks and Radials,
Lon
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Re: Radials and EL34 Monoblocks, some impressions
Reply #26 - 04/20/05 at 06:04:41
 
Great thread Lon glad your enjoying your system  :) .  Are you in the line up to try out the Taboo?. Maybe you should see if you can have it for abit to give your impressions from comparing it to your monoblocks, I think you would make a great reviewer for the Taboo as you probably spend more time than most listening to your system ( which is really great ) rather than flicking channels on the tube. I'd like to make more time for music but I hardly get any alone time without many distractions etc.. one day a den for Dad or even the garage would be great Grin     Dave....
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Lon
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Re: Radials and EL34 Monoblocks, some impressions
Reply #27 - 04/20/05 at 10:53:30
 
No, I'm not in line for the Taboo.  I really don't want to go through the process. . . . The biggest hassle for me is the shipping aspect.  I would have to take time off work to be home and receive the amp which is often hard to do, and I would have to take a long cab ride to a USPS store and pay an awful lot to ship it to the next destination (the local UPS joint is really crappy, the force you to buy an extra box from them before they will insure it for value). . . . Logistically, it's close to a nightmare for me!

I had the Select long enough that I feel I know pretty much how the Taboo sounds and I'm not really that tempted to make the change for my personal system.  I am quite happy with the Monoblocks. IF I could find the money, and find a cheap short pair of my interconnects (PS Audio is not making the Xstream Statement any longer and you can get deals for longer versions right now, but not for half or one meter pairs) I would try adding one of the Decware preamps. . . .
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Re: Radials and EL34 Monoblocks, some impressions
Reply #28 - 04/21/05 at 02:33:40
 
So without a pre I take it you are adjusting the volume (and keeping balance of your 'blocks) with the Dec685, right?

Only asking as I have been fiddling with my new Njoe Tjoeb 4000 for a week now and trying to figure out the best way to use its volume control.

Currently have it set as follows:

Turned Njoe wide open (2.55v) and turn up amp until just before it clips on a loud CD (About 30% of the CS's knob).  Then adjust volume on the Njoe to taste while listening.

The other option is to turn the amp wide open and fully adjust the Njoe volume from the remote.  But this way I can only use the first 4-5 stages of the Njoe it is SO loud.

I guess I could reduce the internal jumper to lower the voltage to 1.25v??

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Re: Radials and EL34 Monoblocks, some impressions
Reply #29 - 04/21/05 at 04:43:59
 
Thats to bad but I can understand all those hassels, enjoy them monoblocks and keep the music a spinnin Smiley.  Take care   Dave......
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Re: Radials and EL34 Monoblocks, some impressions
Reply #30 - 04/21/05 at 13:44:02
 
The DEC 685 does not allow for adjustment of volume / output unless you use a Sony receiver. . . which I am NOT using.  ;)

I use the input gain controls on the EL34 monoblocks currently, which means that I am not running this pot at the top positions.  If I use a 12AU7 tube, I can run it at a medium position, if I use a 12Ax7 it is at a lower point.  

Probably NOT ideal BUT I do find that with the monoblocks I can really dial in accurately exact matched volumes and get a very solid centered mono sound or center image in stereo; I'm able to compensate for room or tube channel imbalances.  One good thing about Monoblocks with input gain control.

All this talk of Preamps (and how come the newest preamp isn't even on the catalog page?) and Zboxes adding "weight and fullness" makes me wonder. . . . But until I can find the dollars all I'll do is wonder.

When I do have the dollars to play with I need to wonder about:

adding the Zbox
adding the new Pre
having the Monoblocks upgraded to the new output transformer choke power supply

Which would be the one thing that would be the most marked improvement.

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Re: Radials and EL34 Monoblocks, some impressions
Reply #31 - 05/21/05 at 23:51:04
 
Well, I felt like adding another post to this forum to show some life here!

I listen to my RL2s everyday, and everyday I marvel at how wonderful and lifelike the sound is that I have here in my system.  The amps have been on about 13 hours today and they sound SWEET.  Seems they get faster, just letting out the notes and rythmns glide and purr.  I'm listening to Suba "Tributo"--a collection of items the late Brazilian producer Suba put out, and its got both acoustic and machine percussion and instruments, and the whole soundstage is artificial but it sounds like a dancefloor in a club, really nice and swinging!  

A few weeks ago I took the JJ E34Ls out and put the Svetlana Winged C EL34s back in.  A more easily flowing sound resulted.  I think there was deeper bass with the JJs, but there's a sweeter treble with the Svets.  So they're staying in for now, now that I've moved the speakers all around and found the best spot for THEM.

In the previous thread I was musing about my next move, but shortly after that Steve announced he was taking orders on the Zbox, and well now I'm hoping my Zbox will soon ship! Cheesy
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Re: Radials and EL34 Monoblocks, some impressions
Reply #32 - 05/22/05 at 02:28:55
 
   It's funny because I check the Radial forum everyday for any news. Anything is good to hear!
   I saw the Radials when they first came out somewhere....SB mag, or on this website. From the readings it sounded like I would like them, and now I know I do. Hey, here's the proof to me: I am sooo pleased with the veerrryy low key sweet spot , and panoramic soundstage that  I was willing to give up my Zen C (because it couldn't quite drive them to where I needed them to go) ! The C was  the best amp I ever had soundwise, could live with it forever.
   But I think speakers have the toughest job (turn electricity into physical soundwaves) and the way Radials place the music in the room works best for me. I really enjoy walking around the room and the music's "thickness/weight/presence just doesn't shift in intensity that much, and I don't  feel any urgency to get back to the sweetspot (sweatspot). Hangin by the fridge or front door is still in the 75% zone.
   Don
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Re: Radials and EL34 Monoblocks, some impressions
Reply #33 - 05/22/05 at 02:50:24
 
Lon,

I for one will be looking forward to your Zbox impressions!



[quote author=Lon  link=1073500136/30#31 date=1116715864]In the previous thread I was musing about my next move, but shortly after that Steve announced he was taking orders on the Zbox, and well now I'm hoping my Zbox will soon ship! Cheesy [/quote]
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Re: Radials and EL34 Monoblocks, some impressions
Reply #34 - 05/22/05 at 02:58:48
 
Yes, I'll be sure to add my impressions!  Just try and stop me!

It appears that Eric likes his so much he may never post again! Wink

Don, so glad you are enjoying yours.  I gave up my Select for the Radials as well, basically I chose them as the centerpiece... .. .. The Monoblocks have more than enough power to drive them and are a good match.  I think these speakers are in some ways the jewel of the line.
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Reply #35 - 05/22/05 at 07:10:24
 
I've been listening to the 2's this weekend a little while my 3's are at Ziggy's.  I must agree that they are great speakers.  There is something special about the presentation that always makes me enjoy listening to them. Smiley

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Reply #36 - 05/23/05 at 00:41:10
 
Hope you don't have to wait too long for the 3s to come back Matt!

Yes, always something special about the presentation. . . I like and agree with that.
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Re: Radials and EL34 Monoblocks, some impressions
Reply #37 - 05/26/05 at 02:53:22
 
Lon,

      Matts 3's should be going out by Friday, if not it will be Tuesday.

    My Z-box was on my front steps this afternoon, I just hooked it up and waiting for things to warm up a bit. I heard it at Steves in Feb. and its been haunting me ever since.  I've been using the Dec343 for about 6 months and now adding the Z-box. Lets see if I hear the same thing I heard at Steves earlier this year.

  Bob Z.
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Re: Radials and EL34 Monoblocks, some impressions
Reply #38 - 05/26/05 at 10:39:25
 
Alright Bob!  I'm happy for you and hoping I have the same experience waiting for me in a week or so!

Let us know what the sound is LIKE!
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Re: Radials and EL34 Monoblocks, some impressions
Reply #39 - 05/28/05 at 06:06:13
 
Lon,

 Tonality.... doesn't change much or very little, but what did change was for the better. I'd have to say the bass has gotten a little tighter if anything.

 Imaging....the first night the image was all over the place. One minute it was bigger than anything I'd ever heard, and the next it was laying on the floor between the two speakers, what a roller coaster ride that was. At times it was way to big, not real at all but then it settled down and got real. I don't think its made any big changes as far as width or depth, but more in a micro way that makes things a lot better. I think this is going to be hard to explain but I'll give it my best shot....

Take the numbers 1 thru 20  with #1's image on the far left of the L speaker #2 just out side the L speaker  # 10 dead center #20 to the far right of the R speaker # 19 just to the  inside of #20  So I guess if you had a good image youd have # 9 and #8 just to the left of dead center and #11 and #12  just to the right of dead center. That would leave #'s 3,4,5,6,7 coming from the left speaker and #'s 13,14,15,16,17,18, coming from the right speaker.  This can get confusing and congested all these instruments coming from the same place.

   Now, put the Z-box  in place and while everthing else remains the (#'s 1,2, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 19, & 20)  the rest of the numbers (3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18)  are all sepearated into there own space, and places relieving the congestion and confusion giving a better image overall with out making anything unreal.

 It seams to me that it relieves the stress a bit which is a good thing.
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Re: Radials and EL34 Monoblocks, some impressions
Reply #40 - 05/28/05 at 10:25:29
 
Thanks for the description Bob, does give me an impression of what it will sound like.  I'm eager to hear my own impressions! Cheesy

I'm probably going to love the sound, AND get a preamp as well.
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Re: Radials and EL34 Monoblocks, some impressions
Reply #41 - 05/28/05 at 14:39:26
 
Zigster, what are you smokin dude?!!!!
Just kidding. I know what your saying. I had friends on acid trips 20 years ago that would have freaked out while stoned listening to the imaging we get from these amps. Embarrassed Undecided
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Re: Radials and EL34 Monoblocks, some impressions
Reply #42 - 09/03/05 at 11:10:15
 
Hi Lon, Joining this thread kinda late ???  Which el 34 mono blocks have you been talking about?  Also I have a Dodson 217 MK II D DAC that has been upgraded to the 218 version.  A very nice DAC, do  you think the Zbox would improve this some?  Thanks, Guy
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Lon
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Re: Radials and EL34 Monoblocks, some impressions
Reply #43 - 09/03/05 at 13:43:20
 
Decware offered for a while (and will still build as a custom amp) a monoblock EL34 amplifier that was based on the Integrated, but did not have a preamp stage and was a monoblocked amplifier.  I bought a pair when I decided that the Radials were the most indispensable part of my system. . . . Steve developed this and then goaded me into buying a pair.  I've used them ever since and I really like them. . . . Maybe in hindsight I should have held out til the new Integrated came out but I'm broke and relatively happy right now.

Honestly, it's MY opinion that if you have a really good DAC/transport combo or great cd player and a really good preamp you won't really get dramatic improvement with the ZBox. Others here however may differ in that assessment.
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Re: Radials and EL34 Monoblocks, some impressions
Reply #44 - 09/03/05 at 15:59:09
 
Lon, how many watts are your mono blocks?
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Re: Radials and EL34 Monoblocks, some impressions
Reply #45 - 09/03/05 at 16:05:01
 
Five single-ended tube watts per channel.
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Re: Radials and EL34 Monoblocks, some impressions
Reply #46 - 09/03/05 at 16:12:03
 
Finally found the link to the pages on the site:

http://decware.com/se34m/zmono.htm
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Re: Radials and EL34 Monoblocks, some impressions
Reply #47 - 09/03/05 at 17:31:56
 
Lon those look SAWEEEEEEEEEEET!  enjoy Grin
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Re: Radials and EL34 Monoblocks, some impressions
Reply #48 - 09/03/05 at 18:59:14
 
Been enjoying them since December 2003! Grin
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Re: Radials and EL34 Monoblocks, some impressions
Reply #49 - 10/20/05 at 13:32:31
 
Well, my latest tweak:  Herbie Audio Lab "Grungebuster Dots" between my Radials and the brass speaker spikes I have them on.

They were cheap, and the whole set cost less than twenty dollars including shipping, and I think they made a subtle difference coupling the spikes to the speakers, better than Blutac.  Seems to give a better focus to the sound.  Nothing dramatic, but glad to have them.


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Re: Radials and EL34 Monoblocks, some impressions
Reply #50 - 12/09/05 at 13:43:33
 
Keep going back and forth between a resistor in the lower radiator and no resistor in the lower radiator.  Both have their advantages and disadvantages!

Spent a few weeks with it IN.  Makes the Radials behave a bit more conventionally. . . imaging is more SPECIFIC and the sound and stage are tightened.  The treble and upper mids are really sweet.  They are a bit less focused without the resistor, but in that situation there is more bass and a wider deeper stage.

Ah, options!   Cheesy
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Re: Radials and EL34 Monoblocks, some impressions
Reply #51 - 12/09/05 at 20:52:45
 
LOn, great to hear from you.  More info please.  Guy
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Re: Radials and EL34 Monoblocks, some impressions
Reply #52 - 12/09/05 at 21:38:32
 
Guy, whatcha wanna know?  Four pages of me being so happy with my RL-2s is not enough?   Wink Wink
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Re: Radials and EL34 Monoblocks, some impressions
Reply #53 - 12/10/05 at 02:40:21
 
Do you still have the Z-box in the mix Lon or are you mostly running strait off the 685?.  Dave Smiley
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Re: Radials and EL34 Monoblocks, some impressions
Reply #54 - 12/10/05 at 11:21:14
 
I've taken the ZBox out.  It's a great machine, but. . . well I find that without a preamp between it and the Monoblocks, with the high output of the DEC685 and having to keep the gain on the Monoblocks so low, there is some compression of dynamics that I just can't ignore.  The sweetening is there but it feels like shaving off some detail and squashing some of the flow.  IT's not bad, but I prefer the straight into the amps from the DEC685 sound.  Partly also because of interconnects perhaps; I bought Decware Reference interconnects for use coming out of the ZBox and I don't prefer their sound to the PS Audio XStream Statement interconnects I have.  Those are so full bodied and clear, they make the Decwares seem pinched.  So. . . for whatever reason, the ZBox is vacationing in the living room where listening is less critical and it is doing a nice little job between my Sony vcr/dvdr and my B&O receiver.
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Re: Radials and EL34 Monoblocks, some impressions
Reply #55 - 12/10/05 at 17:44:25
 
Thanks Lon, I like the idea of source to amp with nothing in between and I guess with your 685 there's probabley no real need for the Z-box in the mix. After posting what people would recommend in the under $1000.00 Decware amp category I'm hoping sometime in 2006 to get the Taboo. I'll just run it direct from my source and then go from there. I don't listen that loud so hopefully that will work out ok, besides the only tube amp I've ever owned was a Marshall JCM 900 lead series head so I'm sure this will be a huge step forward to what I have now.  Dave Smiley
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Re: Radials and EL34 Monoblocks, some impressions
Reply #56 - 12/10/05 at 17:49:42
 
Ps, the way you've described your RL2's and latley Match with the 1.5's sure makes a guy wish he could check all this out, and deeper pockets would be nice too.  Dave Smiley
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Re: Radials and EL34 Monoblocks, some impressions
Reply #57 - 12/10/05 at 17:55:05
 
I know what you mean Dave.

I really think unless you have a big room and a leadfoot on the volume the Taboo would be loud enough. . . . I never use half the volume I could muster with my Monoblocks. . . probably never use MORE than half.
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Re: Radials and EL34 Monoblocks, some impressions
Reply #58 - 12/13/05 at 13:33:42
 
Okay, fiddling about with room placement etc. I've decided to leave the resistors IN the bottom (using 100 ohm resistors).  

Yes, I could use a touch more bass.  But no, I can't do without the dynamic focused magic these speakers have with the bottom driver "active". . . .
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Re: Radials and EL34 Monoblocks, some impressions
Reply #59 - 04/30/06 at 21:53:30
 
I've been away from home for a while except for two quick Friday night/Saturday morning periods, and I'm home with my wife finally for three days.  

I miss the Radials when I'm gone and when I come back it's really something to spend a few hours in their spell. . . . Nothing like it in my new "second life" in Houston.
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Re: Radials and EL34 Monoblocks, some impressions
Reply #60 - 05/01/06 at 14:46:38
 
Lon,

Though it is brief time, welcome home.  :)

Gary
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Re: Radials and EL34 Monoblocks, some impressions
Reply #61 - 05/01/06 at 16:17:20
 
Welcome home Lon
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Re: Radials and EL34 Monoblocks, some impressions
Reply #62 - 05/01/06 at 20:46:02
 
Thanks!  I'm managing a full day at the office and then. . . back to Houston in the morning.
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Re: Radials and EL34 Monoblocks, some impressions
Reply #63 - 05/01/06 at 20:51:09
 
Great to hear from you Lon!   Smiley
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Re: Radials and EL34 Monoblocks, some impressions
Reply #64 - 08/06/06 at 17:34:45
 
Well, I've been at home now for two weeks, leave for Houston again on Wednesday morning.

It has been so wonderful to be here with my Radials and Monoblocks and DEC685.  Yes, the laptop/powered speakers I have in Houston sound better than I expected they would and are doing a job of keeping me from collapsing from sonic deprivation. . . but this system here is just mesmerizing sometimes.  Listening to Jacques Morelenbaum's cello right now, the system has been on and spinning since Friday night. . . man oh man!
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Re: Radials and EL34 Monoblocks, some impressions
Reply #65 - 12/25/06 at 12:55:31
 
Well, I'm reporting a changed system.  We're home til the second half of February.  My wife allowed me to move the Decware/Mapleshade/PS Audio rig into the living room/dining room, and I set it up yesterday.

Wow.  I haven't quite got the tonality the way I want it yet, but man, the dynamics!  I know I had enjoyed dynamics in my listening room, near field, but. . . it's just so much better in this larger room.  

I'll be tweaking for weeks but I'm enjoying the sound a lot and the freedom from the near field situation.  It's a bit bass shy and  bright, but again. . . the dynamics are excellent, and you can hear straight through the midrange, no clutter at all.

These RL2s are just da schitte!
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Re: Radials and EL34 Monoblocks, some impressions
Reply #66 - 12/25/06 at 13:23:55
 
changeing rooms is going to change everything, it will take time to adjust properly and fully appreciate what the difference in sq feet is actually doing.  

nice of your wife to 'allow' it ? ???

i love cello music.

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Re: Radials and EL34 Monoblocks, some impressions
Reply #67 - 12/25/06 at 16:32:20
 
Wow, I haven't seen that much miscogynism in one place for a while! Not since Match was around.

Angry Sad ??? Tongue

Yes, my wife "allowed" it. I asked her permission because it's a shared space.  We have a three bedroom house, a master bedroom, and we each have a room for ourselves.  My system had been in my room which I made into a listening room, but I got tired of the near field set up.

There are some things better in the other room, some things better in this room.  I'm finetuning and moving the speakers around.

Merry solstice festival!
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Re: Radials and EL34 Monoblocks, some impressions
Reply #68 - 12/25/06 at 16:35:15
 
PS:  I put my 15 year old 20" Sony Trinitron on top of Mapleshade Triple Points on the top shelf of my Mapleshade Samson rack and it never ever looked better!
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